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Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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Re: Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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Physical gender stereotypes? The differences in physical appearance, like the shape of the bones in your face and the fact some people have penises and other people have vaginas, caused by activation of the SRY gene (the sex determinism gene), are not social constructs.

Sex != Gender

Biological sex and gender are the same thing. Doesn’t mean a minority of people _feel_ differently, but the science is beyond any question that XX and XY are distinct genders. They come with different hormone levels, XX can carry babies and lactate, etc.

Re: Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

#55
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I've never realized how much of it was just wanting to blend in with everyone else. I'm not transgender, but I also feel much less anxious when I'm not standing out, so I can definitely relate there. Thank you for explaining.

Most (some would say all) transgender individuals suffer from gender dysphoria. In short, whenever we are reminded that our body is not like the image in our mind's eye it feels a bit like having a panic attack, being home sick & heart broken at the same time. The last thing you want to happen is people to actually know that you are transgender, much less misgender you. The transitioning body is not the gender's pres…

That's a really interesting description, thanks. It seems like a very difficult condition and a constant source of anxiety. I struggle to think this is something anyone would choose for themselves.

It makes me very worried for the three year old I know who's mother insists he/she is transgender. That this shouldn't be a trendy thing - but a serious struggle.

Re: Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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What an awesome thing. This is probably a rare example of using technologies like machine learning and face recognition for good. Also, it means that we cannot trust photos anymore.

> What an awesome thing. This is probably a rare example of using technologies like machine learning and face recognition for good. Also, it means that we cannot trust photos anymore.

You can't trust any social media anymore.

Between Lyrebird, GPT-2, Deep Fakes, Sybil attacks on social media sites, and abusing Facebook/Google targeted advertising to leak targeting information on anyone, any sufficiently motivated individual, group or nation state has enough power to locate audiences and reorient them through tailor-made content to the attacker's objectives.

Today's cat-picture-viewing joke-seeking social media user faces adversaries who can deploy coordinated attacks from multiple points-of-origin (via Sybil clones) using multiple mediums (via audio, video, text generation) against specific targets without collateral damage to non-targeted audiences (target discovery via surveillance platforms like Facebook, Google). The information weapons deployed can change minds, destroy relationships with family members, undermine friendships, cause confusion, addict, and waste time that could be spent organizing against the attacker's policies.

In your profile, you state that you're a Russian developer. Consider that it's known that the Russian government interfered with American elections using these divide-and-conquer techniques. Consider that we have to question whether or not your profile is a Sybil account designed to slightly shift the perspective of HN readers towards the idea that Russians are not undermining elections by presenting the idea that educated Russians are naive to the threat. Likewise, consider that this response might be a cointel operation. One can _hope_ that you're genuine, but that's about it.

Sadly, the untrustworthiness goes far beyond photos.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/13/deepfakes-why...

Re: Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most (some would say all) transgender individuals suffer from gender dysphoria. In short, whenever we are reminded that our body is not like the image in our mind's eye it feels a bit like having a panic attack, being home sick & heart broken at the same time. The last thing you want to happen is people to actually know that you are transgender, much less misgender you. The transitioning body is not the gender's pres…

That's a really interesting description, thanks. It seems like a very difficult condition and a constant source of anxiety. I struggle to think this is something anyone would choose for themselves. It makes me very worried for the three year old I know who's mother insists he/she is transgender. That this shouldn't be a trendy thing - but a serious struggle.

One can choose whether they want to begin a social & hormonal transition but they cannot choose to not have the genetic and biological factors that are at play[1]. I doubt anyone take the decisions lightly. It is a huge burden on your life.

In my case, I have decided to transition after 25 years of successfully living as a male. The burden of not transitioning was compounding with interest and I felt as if waiting any more would result in me being a toxic person both to myself and those surrounding me. Everyone has different factors at play. Personally, I had different hormonal levels than that of a regular male and had some female features as a child (testosterone bulldozes over those during puberty). I have also been told that my body processes estrogen slightly differently than the majority of males.

Three years old is indeed the age where gender identity starts to appear in children. It could be possible that the mother is telling the truth but one cannot say without an actual health professional's advice. It is normal for a child to experience different gender identities at that age since the brain is still forming. Usually the identity begins to solidify around five.

In the case that this identity cause distress in the child (attempting to mutilate themselves, depressive episodes, etc.), they should see a therapist. If there is a diagnostic of gender dysphoria which increase as their body develop, they might choose to use puberty blockers at the start of adolescence to stop the body from going through a puberty that increases this distress. It gives the child and therapist more time to go through those issues. Blockers can be stopped and a regular puberty would occur (with some possible health issue, so you shouldn't prescribe those unless the child is actually suffering). Should the feelings of distress and gender non-conformity still be present, discussion of an actual transition begin around sixteen years old. Children who transition from that path have the chance of not having lived the an extra puberty. It makes their transition easier and makes it less hard for the person to blend in as their actual gender. This avoid a lot of issues which adult transitioner have to struggle with their entire lives and will save on costs (facial feminization surgery, body feminization surgery, voice surgeries, etc.).

[1] A starting point for more information about this could be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender#Scientific_studies...

Re: Fun with Snapchat's Gender Swapping Filter

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For shits and giggles, I installed Snapchat just to play with this, after seeing some friends having fun with it.

For background, I am guy, but with long hair and a beard. I wouldn't look out of place in a mosh pit at a heavy metal show. I've also been told I look like Jesus.

To my amusement, my beard and hair seem to break the female face filter. I take picture with it, and nothing changes. Conversely, if I use the male face filter there's quite a difference. My hair gets trimmed, my beard is darkened and my jawline made more square than it already was. The male filter still gets confused by my hair and fails to remove all of it much below my jawline; I can still see my natural hair transitioning back into existence about my neck and shoulders.

This makes me think that the filters are mainly working on hair length, or perhaps me already having hair short-circuits the filter and it forgets to address my cheekbones, jawline, lips, nose and brow.

Scratch all of that. It just worked properly. Compared to the male filter, it did soften my jawline, blur away my beard, and kept my natural lighter hair color (though it took away my natural curls). It could have stood to reduced the size of my nose. Still in the uncanny valley for me, but much closer to crossing that threshold in than some other filters I've seen in the past.

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