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How I Run a Company with ADHD

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Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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It’s interesting to see how hard if is to separate ADD from ADHD by a description of traits or behaviors. I have ADD and pretty much recognize myself in a lot of this. It’s almost impossible to focus on anything that is not interesting “right now” and what is “interesting” changes in cycles spanning a few weeks. During a cycle I become completely absorbed, you know, not eat, not sleep and not being communicative, abs…

Yes to everything, especially about having kids! Many responsibilities in family life are uninteresting. Often I have to be patient for weeks in order to work on something I find interesting. Months ago I found a great programming project to work on. However, I'm caught in a period in which my wife is working a lot of extra hours, leaving me to deal with cooking, house repair, running my daughter to activities, finan…

> The thought of one more trivial task in my day completely paralyzed me for weeks, but I felt increasing anxiety and the depression worsened.

Wow, this describes a few recent events for me. Thanks for sharing!

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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It’s interesting to see how hard if is to separate ADD from ADHD by a description of traits or behaviors. I have ADD and pretty much recognize myself in a lot of this. It’s almost impossible to focus on anything that is not interesting “right now” and what is “interesting” changes in cycles spanning a few weeks. During a cycle I become completely absorbed, you know, not eat, not sleep and not being communicative, abs…

> Perhaps I should write about how I run(?) a family with ADD? It would make for a lot of laughs and a some sad stuff. Given how poignantly you expressed my own experience of living with ADHD Primarily Inattentive (what you called ADD above), and as someone on the cusp of becoming a father, I would appreciate this more than I can express.

As a random suggestion from someone who did manage to not get his children killed despite ADD... look into bullet journaling as an organizational system for parenting duties. Ignore the endless art-project nonsense on the internet, read the book, and focus on using it for task management and scheduling.

As an adult with ADD, it was a miraculous new perspective on tracking all the things I used to fail to do. I so, so wish I'd had it when I was dealing with small children.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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My reaction to this article has been... complex. ----- Bah! Another article about ADHD. ADHD's over diagnosed and not not as big a problem as people make it out to be. But, I'm curious all of a sudden, so I might as well read it. > For the first 19 years of my life I knew I was lazy. Yeah, I'm pretty lazy too. That's just who I am, though. I don't have ADHD... > So what, you can't stop bouncing your leg at the restau…

I have a couple hundred tabs open across a few machines... It's a horrible cycle and every now and then Firefox feels sorry for me and corrupts my session so that I lose it all. Yes, all of those things are classic ADHD... But they barely even scratch the surface. That's just the "haha" relatable stuff. Time management issues are real. ADHD is, in essence, making a list of all the things you need to get done, placing…

From an article I saw here the other day

> ...even short­-term engagement with an extensively hyperlinked online environment (i.e., online shopping for 15 minutes) reduces attentional scope for a sustained duration after coming offline, whereas reading a magazine does not produce these deficits

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wps.20617

Overdiagnosis is real -- being a developmental disorder, ADHD people present age-inappropriate behavior -- "you're too old for this." A lot of people simply grow out of it (although, the ADHD brain typically reaches maturity around the age of 35, so, it can take a while). But many people never grow out of it, so underdiagnosis of ADULT ADHD is real.

In most countries, however, underdiagnosis is the real issue in most countries. I'm in the Netherlands and I went to a school for special children and talked to half a dozen therapists over ten years, and not one of them even considered it, while it's one of the most common disabilities, and considered one of the easiest to treat. I went to my GP and she had no idea about it, I basically had to explain the diagnostic criteria to her myself. It's possible I've just been really unlucky with the last 10 professionals I went to, but I think it's representative of the attitude in Europe -- especially the farther you go south and east.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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It’s interesting to see how hard if is to separate ADD from ADHD by a description of traits or behaviors. I have ADD and pretty much recognize myself in a lot of this. It’s almost impossible to focus on anything that is not interesting “right now” and what is “interesting” changes in cycles spanning a few weeks. During a cycle I become completely absorbed, you know, not eat, not sleep and not being communicative, abs…

> I have ADD and pretty much recognize myself in a lot of this. I do not have ADD (afaik), and I also recognize myself in a lot of this. I think many of these behaviors are very common in general.

Yes of course.

The question is always: does it impede a “normal” life and is anyone constantly suffering?

I thought my so called issues were perfectly manageable until I got my second child.

I described it in a different post as being stuck in development.

Remaining a child in many ways, and constantly fighting overwhelming emotions or, almost worse, non at all.

I decided I couldn’t keep doing what I was doing, and it’s been a struggle ever since.

Mostly I make it work, but my partner might have a word or two about these things:

Going to the grocery store with a long list of items, only to be overwhelmed by the astounding number of types of coffee.

Spending 45 minutes looking online for anything regarding beans and grounds. Fascinating stuff! Animals eating from the trees and pooing the beans out?! Wow.

Leaving after one hour with a bag of potatoes — cause’ couldn't handle it.

You can probably see that if this is a repeating pattern someone’s bound to suffer.

Anxiety is just around the corner with depression right behind it, stemming from these issues.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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It’s interesting to see how hard if is to separate ADD from ADHD by a description of traits or behaviors. I have ADD and pretty much recognize myself in a lot of this. It’s almost impossible to focus on anything that is not interesting “right now” and what is “interesting” changes in cycles spanning a few weeks. During a cycle I become completely absorbed, you know, not eat, not sleep and not being communicative, abs…

ADD is now under the umbrella of ADHD. ADHD just has 3 types:[0] 1. ADHD Predominantly Inattentive (ADHD-PI) 2. ADHD Predominantly Hyperactive (ADHD-PH?) 3. ADHD Combined (ADHD-C) ADD falls under the first one. It makes sense that you'd recognize yourself in that. They're now considered to be the same disorder, but just presenting in a different way. One of the things that's usually not discussed, but what you should…

Yeah, this is called emotional disregulation. I have it to some extent, but am an adult with lots of experience noticing and regulating it. One of my kids is super kind but often responds to minor annoyances with an extremely irritated tone, or will collapse into an incoherent puddle at minor obstacles.

ADHD can be a huuuuge problem in relationships. Especially if you're going out with someone who would score very high on conscientiousness. They won't understand that things that are easy for them are hard for you, and will assume that you're just trying to piss them off, or are incorrigibly lazy. This is exacerbated because it's not like you can't do those things, it's just that you will inconsistently do them, and average towards not doing them.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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As a software engineer with ADHD (and maybe something else in addition to ADHD), it's almost scary how much of this is relatable.

In a time of crisis, such as a last minute deliverable or an outage, I am probably the most productive engineer in my company. I churn out code like a machine, ruthlessly prioritize, scour our graphs and analytics tables for insight into what's causing the issues, and generally absolutely crush everything put in front of me. Diving into the analytical side has produced significant business wins in terms of identifying problems and implementing solutions that solved complex and hitherto undiscovered business problems to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

But as soon as the crisis is over, a switch flips, and I can no longer sustain productivity. I have a bit of code I'm working on to improve a certain large download feature. I know all of what I need to write. I know every file by heart, how everything fits together, all relevant third-party and internal APIs, and how I would implement this optimally, including some fancy lazy evaluation and ringbuffer tricks that will make the whole flow more efficient.

But I find it very hard to keep contributing to it. It's just uninteresting once solved. On top of that, I work in an open-plan office and thus have the silence punctured by load conversation, video meetings that some folks have at their desks, and the visual distraction of people walking around. Unfortunately I have a mini-cafe and a restroom nearby, meaning my eyes have many people to track.

On top of this, office politics are difficult for me. Before I started taking medication, I really couldn't pay attention in meetings or interviews. Same for many conversations. This tends to be interpreted as indifference or disinterest. I often want to pay attention but just can't. I hate the protocol where I have to add a bunch of "thank yous" and "pleases" and a bunch of flowery language around emails and other communication rather than getting straight to the point. HR is not a fan of direct language.

This leads into the emotional aspects of ADHD. I feel as though emotions can be stronger for me than for the average person, especially negative emotions such as anger. Pretty much my entire life, from childhood until now, I've been told to calm down, think things through a bit more, and not act so rashly.

As a result, despite having a good track record due to some aforementioned business wins (better than everyone in my org), I tend to alienate leadership and am considered somewhat "unmanageable." I was put up for staff and rejected because, sure, you found some cool things, but can you lead a team for 6 months?

Vyvanse has helped. I no longer get up from my desk an infinite number of times, and my tendency to start a bunch of 20% projects that each need 100% of my time has drastically reduced. I feel as though maybe 30 is closer to my mental age.

There is apparently a correlation between ADHD and other issues. I've taken non-diagnostic tests for some form of high functioning autism and tested fairly highly. Some of my family members clearly have issues, e.g. my younger brother runs away and hides during social circumstances sometimes to recharge and has trouble making eye contact, as does an uncle of mine. Finding the truth of the autism issue at it applies to me is the next phase of my journey.

All in all, it's an interesting situation to be in. You're smart enough to recognize that you're broken in various ways and will forever know that, despite your best efforts, you have significant challenges that will make it difficult to fulfill your potential. But no one can see these issues.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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I was thinking, "as soon as I find the _perfect_ domain name". It could take a while. =)

Don't forget find the perfect static site generator, realize you might as well use Wordpress with a nice theme, try out a plugin that does badly, write manually, decide to make it a plugin, learn how Wordpress does plugins (it's not great!), get annoyed by theme so build one yourself, find out what this 'css grid' thing is all about, sprinkle in some JS for something cool, use the fancy new features despite not needi…

This is basically how I made Qards (https://qards.io). I kid you not. Good to see I'm not alone :)

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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Hands up to that! It totally aggravates my wife that I can just forget about lunchtime or dinner or whatever meal is coming next because I've become so involved in something. Right now is the worst. I made a list of work I need to do today, but none of it was very stimulating. So I opened up Hacker News, saw this article, and have been on this for close to an hour now. In that time, I've read it and a lot of comments…

> I have to attend 3 meetings in a row where I'm listening and not speaking. If you are ADHD, you know how that's going to go. So about 30 minutes of active listening and 150 minutes of some of the deepest problem solving time where you can miraculously focus on all the problems you couldn't before? (The hard part is if somebody talks directly to you during the latter and not the former. You'll never know, though, un…

Haha! Very true. Lost in your thoughts. Better take a notebook though or all of those solutions will melt away.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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My reaction to this article has been... complex. ----- Bah! Another article about ADHD. ADHD's over diagnosed and not not as big a problem as people make it out to be. But, I'm curious all of a sudden, so I might as well read it. > For the first 19 years of my life I knew I was lazy. Yeah, I'm pretty lazy too. That's just who I am, though. I don't have ADHD... > So what, you can't stop bouncing your leg at the restau…

First thing to do... close those tabs. They are the enemy.

The human mind can only concentrate on a few things at a time even when "multitasking", and it cannot concentrate on anything else when working on a complex, concentration-oriented problem. Respect how your brain works, even if it goes against your ADD instincts. (Example, from a book on how thought works... you can concentrate on multiple things while driving, but you can't concentrate on multiple things while computing 57 x 432.61 in your head. There are two modes to thinking; one allows multitasking but limits complexity of individual tasks. The other allows deep complexity, but at the exclusion of thinking of anything else.

So those 52 tabs? If you try to think about all of them, you can't think about any of them in a meaningful way. Pushing things off your plate is the most fundamental defense mechanism the ADD mind can have. Have one tab open. Or two or three. Finish what you're doing before trying to do something else. Don't let the squirrel do the thinking for you. You can outthink the squirrel.

Re: How I Run a Company with ADHD

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My "coping" mechanism, annoying for some, I am sure, but I just bluntly immediately ask for feedback and try to get to the bottom of it as soon as possible. I am fortunate enough to have a manager that understands my condition and he offers me plenty of "spot" feedback which I cannot appreciate more.

I totally relate to that! I do it as well - I often cant leave something alone. It drives my wife insane as I'll just keep on about it when she wants to move on and let it go. I do it at work sometimes too, and it can come across as a bit intimidating, especially with people who dont like up front confrontation.

Have you found any support groups or any that were affective? I have taken a cursory glance at some support groups available to me in the past, plus some internet circles, but found them not personal enough to be effective or I felt too detached from the people involved from their day to day problems. But I feel like I, as well as other ADHD folk would benefit from some sort of HN "accountability" partner or group that understands the condition but also the type of work we do.
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