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Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Is this where you try to claim trickle down economics works despite the top 20% of people owning more than 80% of the financial assets? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Unite...

You didn't answer the question.

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Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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This sounds like good news. I've read lots of negative stories about the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. It would be great if all the jobs could be automated.

> It would be great if all the jobs could be automated ... If all the capital could be distributed.

> ... If all the capital could be distributed.

The capital is already distributed, to international shareholders.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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This sounds like good news. I've read lots of negative stories about the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. It would be great if all the jobs could be automated.

to be honest I am not sure your going to find warehouse work that isn't demanding. they usually all have metrics by which they are judged but we hear very little of other companies simply because Amazon is big and therefor an easy target. be careful what you wish for, automating manual labor jobs just pushes the value of such labor lower which can further put these people behind. as labor costs rise automation will c…

We could also reduce the work week and increase taxes to distribute the gains from automation, instead of relying on the goodwill of billionaires. It seems the current political populism environment is best suited for this outcome.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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andrew yang 2020. no brainer. Surprised why more candidates are not discussing the automation gorilla in the room. there are not enough low-skilled, difficult to automate jobs that can sustain the population.

Candidates are discussing immigration, tariffs and outsourcing because that's actually affecting jobs in the US and people who work on the factory lines know it.

Automation is a scary specter off in the distance but it's not as actively harmful to people's livelihoods.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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I'm surprised that Amazon still uses boxes. They have the market power to insist manufacturers comply with amazon-specific packaging requirements. Why not just insist that all products be packaged in postal-compatible packaging? Then the amazon warehouse robot need only slap a label on the product and throw it in the shipping bin. Another answer would be to have products packaged in standard, or at lease square, boxe…

They have to strike a balance to optimize between shipping costs, time spent packing, packing material costs, claims due to damage during transit and insurance/theft costs.

If items are usually/never ordered by themselves, packing in a larger box might still always work out to be cheaper than paying for shipping for two boxes.

There's already enough of a problem with theft of generic 'Amazon'-branded boxes -- can you imagine if things were regularly shipped with $high_value-brand labeling on the outside (if not just glossy full-color retail box)?

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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This seems to simply wrap each item in a cardboard shell, is that protective? Also whenever someone complains about receiving a tiny item in a large box, the answer is usually that Amazon does so to optimize the filling of its trucks so that all the boxes are densly packed (no room for them to fall), wouldn't having each item its own custom sized box hinder that optimization?

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I'm surprised that Amazon still uses boxes. They have the market power to insist manufacturers comply with amazon-specific packaging requirements. Why not just insist that all products be packaged in postal-compatible packaging? Then the amazon warehouse robot need only slap a label on the product and throw it in the shipping bin. Another answer would be to have products packaged in standard, or at lease square, boxe…

I mean, they probably don't have the market power to do that. Online retail is still only ~10% of total retail (in the US). Amazon might be dominant within online retail, but they still aren't quite enough I feel.

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> It would be great if all the jobs could be automated ... If all the capital could be distributed.

I believe something called 'communism' which addresses that. Snark aside, automating shitty jobs is a Good Thing. Finding new and better jobs for those impacted should be a major political priority. Education is one aspect, but comes too late for those already on the workforce. Places like Japan keep unemployment low by having many low skill jobs, like mall greeters and whatnot. This may be better than unemployment,…

These "low skill" customer-facing jobs are also considered important and held in quite high regard in Japan, something we seem to have forgotten in the west.

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Something tells me people will find a way to complain about this. And that those people will be the same people that think Amazon's warehouse policies are oppressive.

It has become fashionable to paint everything in black and white. The solution to workplace abuse is removal of jobs? Really? Automation is not bad inherently, but it's socioeconomic impact has to be ascertained.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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This sounds like good news. I've read lots of negative stories about the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. It would be great if all the jobs could be automated.

No, this is just a subversive form of union busting with more deleterious effects on the workers.

As a society we need to find a balance between the firm and the worker. Automating jobs away isn’t always good or always bad. But unilaterally automating workers out and them not getting something in return is bad for the worker.

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