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Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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This sounds like good news. I've read lots of negative stories about the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. It would be great if all the jobs could be automated.

> It would be great if all the jobs could be automated ... If all the capital could be distributed.

> ... If all the capital could be distributed.

Why? We didn't contribute much yo the development of Amazon's specific machines.

Oh, you're saying you are entitled to it?

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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"That would amount to more than 1,300 cuts across 55 U.S. fulfillment centers for standard-sized inventory." ... "removing at least 24 roles at each one, these people said. These facilities typically employ more than 2,000 people." I'm surprised that number is so low. There's only a couple dozen people out of 2000+ that actually put orders in boxes?

It sounds like a gradual transition to me, not replacing all packers overnight.

> A key to its goal of a leaner workforce is attrition, one of the sources said. Rather than lay off workers, the person said, the world’s largest online retailer will one day refrain from refilling packing roles.

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> The machines have the potential to automate far more than 24 jobs per facility, one of the sources said.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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So the 'pick' part of 'pick and pack' still needs humans. This machine glues a cardboard box together removing the need for the guy with the tape. The article stresses that this is about efficiency rather than reducing head-count. This is a good thing as that means more optimally packed items being ferried around the country. However, for other online sellers that do not have this semi-automated packing this is not so good news, they don't have the scale Amazon does to have the robot support engineer on site. They have to pack the old ways, with lots of labour.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Fantastic, less human labor in one sector means new opportunities in another.

Where are the new opportunities here? Does the number of people employed designing and manufacturing these machines come close to the number of people put out of work by their creation?

Let's not pretend that Amazon is some benevolent force here. It's the same company that sets work targets high enough to force employees to have to pee in bottles and penalises sick and pregnant workers for taking time off or breaks. [1]

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-hav...

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Fantastic, less human labor in one sector means new opportunities in another.

This is a platitude that is said often, but there is no evidence to support it. There is no law of the universe that says whenever a job gets automated, a new type of work pops out of the aether to employ displaced people. It is wishful thinking at best.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Something tells me people will find a way to complain about this. And that those people will be the same people that think Amazon's warehouse policies are oppressive.

IMO the best "counterargument" here is that those were jobs which paid folks who then paid into their local economy. That goes away with robots and becomes more revenue. Lots of folks are in favor of a "automation tax." I'm not sure how I feel. Note I'm not arguing these points, but merely pointing them out.

It doesn’t become more revenue. It maybe a cost reduction which in turn may increase profits, or reduce consumer prices. Either is a good thing.

Amazon has a long track record of aggressively reinvesting its profits.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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This sounds like good news. I've read lots of negative stories about the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. It would be great if all the jobs could be automated.

It would be great if everyone had good working conditions and decent wages.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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Is there a field of study associated with job creation? The answer is not actually obvious. There's a lot of research into efficiency, which is almost synonymous with job destruction. Edit: Thanks for the answers below. I was thinking of academic areas of research. For example, Macroeconomics, Labor Relations, Governance, Management Theory etc.

Entrepreneurship.

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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post #2

Something tells me people will find a way to complain about this. And that those people will be the same people that think Amazon's warehouse policies are oppressive.

That's a simplification.

Amazon warehouses ARE oppressive.

And there's nothing superficially wrong with automating the picking and packing of boxes.

The problems come later, and it's not Amazon's "fault" but rather a much larger problem that eventually we'll all have to deal with: what happens when "enough" people get involuntarily shoved out of the workforce, with vanishingly remote prospects of securing other paying work?

Re: Amazon rolls out machines that pack orders and replace jobs

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post #19

This sounds like good news. I've read lots of negative stories about the working conditions in Amazon warehouses. It would be great if all the jobs could be automated.

> It would be great if all the jobs could be automated ... If all the capital could be distributed.

What do you think is going to happen with that capital?
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