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Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by codedokode »

lostjohnny wrote: post #14
benevol wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you would think that. Nothing has changed recently, has it? Sweden has been in the US' pockets for a long time, just like the other main European countries such as the UK and Germany.

That's laughable

What about a case when NSA was wiretapping phone calls of member of German governments, including Angela Merkel [1]? US got away with this without any consequences and Germany said nothing.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10...

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by hallihax »

brohee wrote: post #94
hallihax wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that WL is responsible for Clinton's loss - rather than her being a terrible candidate - is laughable. To credit Assange with Trump's election is a complete joke - not least because the same people attacking him for releasing Clinton / Podesta / DNC emails have spent the past several years utterly failing to take stock of the reasons they lost. I say all this as a non-US observer. The US' media and political…

The election outcome is obviously much more multifactor than that, but that doesn't change the fact that Assange was coordinating with Gucifer 2.0 against Clinton. Wikileaks wasn't neutral in that election.

This is just a spurious argument - and setting aside the Guccifer 2.0 sub-plot to the whole scam - Wikileaks has absolutely no requirement to be neutral. Their job is to publish things powerful people don't want published. That's it. Why should WL be on your side? Why shouldn't WL release info damaging to Clinton? It's hardly Assange's fault the US keeps committing war crimes and engaging in blatant corruption, is it?

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by mikeash »

duchenne wrote: post #26

Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…

If you think people would misunderstand “rape” in this way, I’d suggest you spend your effort educating people who don’t understand the word, rather than trying to “correct” people using the word to mean what it means.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

#104

Post by coldtea »

sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

It's because the established media got the message to assassinate his character (and unlike e.g. the 60s with the vibrant counter-culture and anti-establishment stances, today most people just follow what's mainstream).

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

#105

Post by ChrisSD »

akerro wrote: post #53
finnjohnsen2 wrote: post #29

Maybe he just raped a girl. Case closed. No huge conspiracies. Question is, if he gets freed, what will happen then?

I read she never opened a case against him. It was just police officer who did it in her name? I think it's too much misinformation and lies to tell what really happened.

The facts are she went to the police station to report it. Why would she do that if she didn't want the police to do anything?

When the first prosecutor decided not to proceed with the case, her lawyer asked for this decision to be reviewed. Why would her lawyer do this if she didn't want the case resumed?

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by benevol »

lostjohnny wrote: post #14
benevol wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you would think that. Nothing has changed recently, has it? Sweden has been in the US' pockets for a long time, just like the other main European countries such as the UK and Germany.

That's laughable

Were you already born when Edward Snowden made his revelations?

Or how about the Evo Morales grounding incident? [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by maxlybbert »

gsnedders wrote: post #60
Vinnl wrote: post #25

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As I understood it, he fled to the embassy because he was afraid the Swedish allegations would be used as an excuse to extradite him to the US. Now that his UK charges can be used for that, that's no longer an objection.

What relationship does his English conviction have to any US extradition request? (Be it the one that's been sent, or any hypothetical one to Sweden.)

I never understood why Assange worried more about being extradited from Sweden than from the UK. However, I think it is a good point that now he’s fighting an extradition request in Britain, he would be happy to instead go to Sweden.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by kweks »

tomp wrote: post #57
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #36

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If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.

Does the law actually say so? To what extent does "rape by lying" exist? I imagine "I'm actually not a doctor" or "let me just remove my makeup" don't count... How about not paying a prostitute after sex (assuming prostitution is legal), does it count as rape (she consented to sex on the condition of paying) or just theft ? Are women that say they're on the pill but aren't, or that use the man's sperm to impregnate t…

It exists very clearly (but it does have limited scope..)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by DanBC »

tomp wrote: post #74
gsnedders wrote: post #69

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> Does the law actually say so? Assange argued that the accused act would not be illegal under English law; the High Court disagreed (and hence the dual criminality test was fulfilled).

Which accused act? sex with a sleeping person or sex after sneakily removing the condom ?

The case has been linked elsewhere in this thread. Ctrl F for BAILII to find it.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by coldtea »

lostjohnny wrote: post #76
computerfriend wrote: post #33

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This has always been his attitude; Sweden refused to interview him in the embassy.

Fact: Assange ran from Swedish justice And that's for sure.

Fact: "Swedish justice" was more or less like Ecuador exchanging some multi billion IMF funding for giving him up -- the kind of made up stuff you stick to someone you want to shut up.
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