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Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by onlydeadheroes »

moomin wrote: post #68
sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

Let’s ignore the facts, or the surmises and ask the following: who do you think he should be popular with? The republicans who think releasing the Manning files means he should be in prison? The Democrats after he did everything he could to sabotage them? The progressives for whom his associations with Putin and Farage are beyond the pale? The tech cognoscenti who were complaining he had ruined WikiLeaks by making it…

It's shocking to me that in public discourse being caught cheating is now "sabotage".

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by eloff »

lostjohnny wrote: post #82
olalonde wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy I had sex with a girl who lied about being on birth control. Was I raped?

(I see what you did there) There's a little difference, you wouldn't be the one getting pregnant. It's more like she lied about being HIV positive. That is, in fact, a crime.

She can get pregnant and use the courts to force you to pay child support for the next 18 years. I'd say it's no less serious.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by brohee »

hallihax wrote: post #45
brohee wrote: post #31

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The idea that WL is responsible for Clinton's loss - rather than her being a terrible candidate - is laughable. To credit Assange with Trump's election is a complete joke - not least because the same people attacking him for releasing Clinton / Podesta / DNC emails have spent the past several years utterly failing to take stock of the reasons they lost. I say all this as a non-US observer. The US' media and political…

The election outcome is obviously much more multifactor than that, but that doesn't change the fact that Assange was coordinating with Gucifer 2.0 against Clinton. Wikileaks wasn't neutral in that election.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

rich-tea wrote: post #81
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.

The continual broadening of the definition of rape will only dampen its impact and harm the few genuine victims of rape.

"the few genuine victims of rape" kinda gives away your attitude on the subject. At least you know that this sort of misogyny isn't well received in polite company and decided to create a new account for it.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by Vinnl »

gsnedders wrote: post #60
Vinnl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understood it, he fled to the embassy because he was afraid the Swedish allegations would be used as an excuse to extradite him to the US. Now that his UK charges can be used for that, that's no longer an objection.

What relationship does his English conviction have to any US extradition request? (Be it the one that's been sent, or any hypothetical one to Sweden.)

Ehm, good question; it's been a while since I read about this. I think, but don't pin me down on this, that his being kept in a single country would give the US enough time to draw up a formal extradition request for that specific country, whereas if a country isn't able to hold him, the request might not come in time.

Hopefully somebody else can chime in with a more reliable explanation.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by ChrisSD »

GordonS wrote: post #83

I'm not sure why the charges keep being reported as "rape", when there's no suggestion he did any such thing. The charges relate to a Swedish law about not using a condom. The woman alleges that Assange removed the condom at some point during sex, without her consent to do so, and that she noticed afterwards. Is it wrong? Yes, of course it is. Is it "rape"? No, but the media has repeated it often enough that now the…

As has been mentioned multiple times, it was rape. The European Arrest Warrant says: (https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html)

> 4. Rape

> On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep. was in a helpless state.

This was ruled by the [High Court] to be rape under [English] law.

EDIT: Corrected as per gsnedders below.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by turk73 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #23

Because there are already various conspiracies being discussed in this thread, I'd like to invite you to entertain, just momentarily, the possibility that this is simply a functioning system of justice seeking to prosecute what they consider credible evidence of a crime. I know the tech community likes Assange, or at least liked Wikileaks as it was originally conceived. But here are some thoughts that you could maybe…

"Does anybody believe the CIA has covered secret agents stationed at Swedish feminist literature departments"

Sure, why not? It would be an excellent cover persona for that type of spy. From what little I know about how intelligence agencies operate, it always amazes me who their assets are. Look at who the OSS used as spies in WWII. Find out who her parents are before passing judgement. They don't recruit the obvious James Bond types. Find the family connection.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by viivaux »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #23

Because there are already various conspiracies being discussed in this thread, I'd like to invite you to entertain, just momentarily, the possibility that this is simply a functioning system of justice seeking to prosecute what they consider credible evidence of a crime. I know the tech community likes Assange, or at least liked Wikileaks as it was originally conceived. But here are some thoughts that you could maybe…

For anyone interested, here are the actual facts surrounding this case.

https://justice4assange.com/note-to-editors-sweden.html

The way media has "covered" this, it is not all that surprising to see ignorant comments and cynical speculation. Such deliberate and thorough ignorance as the above is a little more rare.

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