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Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by olalonde »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #36
duchenne wrote: post #26

Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…

If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.

> If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy

I had sex with a girl who lied about being on birth control. Was I raped?

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by sschueller »

sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

Many people in the Unites States not willing to accept the fact that their society elected Trump and not some foreign state.

Sure Russia, China etc. medle in elections including the US one but Trump was elected by the American public and no one else.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by akerro »

finnjohnsen2 wrote: post #29

Maybe he just raped a girl. Case closed. No huge conspiracies. Question is, if he gets freed, what will happen then?

I read she never opened a case against him. It was just police officer who did it in her name? I think it's too much misinformation and lies to tell what really happened.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by Maxious »

sedeki wrote: post #15
acallaghan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's because he's a rape suspect in Sweden - it's not a giant conspiracy or 'a grab', he's just a suspect that ran away from the law. The USA have already requested his extradition in the UK - to say that "Sweden only sought rape charges because then the USA can extradite him from Sweden" is clearly bogus. If he actually confronted these charges in Sweden, and found guilty, he may actually be out of prison by now.…

”And at the centre of all of this, that everyone seems to have forgotten, are these two women that have accused him of rape.” As far as I know, and at least Assange has claimed this publicly in a video at least once, these two women themselves did not make rape charges against Assange. The case was picked up by some prosecutor who initiated the charges.

One of the victims' lawyer said a month ago when he left the embassy they still wanted to re-open the case:

"We are going to do everything we possibly can to get the swedish police investigation re-opened so that Assange can be extradited to Sweden and prosecuted for rape. No rape victim should have to wait 9 years to see justice be served." https://twitter.com/ElisabethMFritz/status/11162929511251804...

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

> Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years?

I don't think the public has "turned" on him. (That is, I don't think he's more unpopular now than he was a year ago.) It's more like we forgot about him. That took away the teflon coating that let him escape international arrest warrants in a South American embassy, a privilege most of us wouldn't get.

This story is best explained by reversion to the mean moreso than extraordinary current events.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by DanBC »

sedeki wrote: post #15
acallaghan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's because he's a rape suspect in Sweden - it's not a giant conspiracy or 'a grab', he's just a suspect that ran away from the law. The USA have already requested his extradition in the UK - to say that "Sweden only sought rape charges because then the USA can extradite him from Sweden" is clearly bogus. If he actually confronted these charges in Sweden, and found guilty, he may actually be out of prison by now.…

”And at the centre of all of this, that everyone seems to have forgotten, are these two women that have accused him of rape.” As far as I know, and at least Assange has claimed this publicly in a video at least once, these two women themselves did not make rape charges against Assange. The case was picked up by some prosecutor who initiated the charges.

"Pressing charges" may be a thing in US law, but it isn't elsewhere.

In many jurisdictions prosecutors don't need the permission, nor cooperation, of the victims to bring a case to court. This is especially important in crimes of sexual violence because the fear of retribution causes many victims not to report; and because some victims will be being coercively controlled by their partners.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by tomp »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #36
duchenne wrote: post #26

Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…

If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.

Does the law actually say so? To what extent does "rape by lying" exist? I imagine "I'm actually not a doctor" or "let me just remove my makeup" don't count... How about not paying a prostitute after sex (assuming prostitution is legal), does it count as rape (she consented to sex on the condition of paying) or just theft? Are women that say they're on the pill but aren't, or that use the man's sperm to impregnate themselves after sex, rapists (edit: note that child support payments belong to the child, so rape victims still have to pay child support, no matter how unfair that might seem, although the rapist being jailed would still offer at least some satisfaction and dis-incentivize future crimes)?

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by [deleted] »

lostjohnny wrote: post #14
benevol wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you would think that. Nothing has changed recently, has it? Sweden has been in the US' pockets for a long time, just like the other main European countries such as the UK and Germany.

That's laughable

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by sschueller »

akerro wrote: post #49
sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

WL published papers against Clinton, but not much against Trump, therefore he is a traitor.

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by gsnedders »

Vinnl wrote: post #25
seanalltogether wrote: post #18

> “His attitude is that he is happy to cooperate with Sweden and that he wants to be interviewed and that he wants to clear his name,” Samuelson told Reuters. He spent how many years on both UK soil and then the Ecuadorean embassy to fight these Swedish allegations and now he's "happy to cooperate". He's imprisoned himself all these years for nothing.

As I understood it, he fled to the embassy because he was afraid the Swedish allegations would be used as an excuse to extradite him to the US. Now that his UK charges can be used for that, that's no longer an objection.

What relationship does his English conviction have to any US extradition request? (Be it the one that's been sent, or any hypothetical one to Sweden.)
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