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Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition
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#32Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…
Having sex with someone who is sleeping is definitely (alleged) rape, unless she agreed to it beforehand or something.
Even if they had consensual sex previously.
Am I misunderstanding your comment?
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#33> “His attitude is that he is happy to cooperate with Sweden and that he wants to be interviewed and that he wants to clear his name,” Samuelson told Reuters. He spent how many years on both UK soil and then the Ecuadorean embassy to fight these Swedish allegations and now he's "happy to cooperate". He's imprisoned himself all these years for nothing.
This has always been his attitude; Sweden refused to interview him in the embassy.
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#34Let’s see how long it takes before he is extradited to the US and suddenly disappeared.
A year or two?
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#35Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…
I know some couples might have an understanding about such things, but I consider penetrating someone who is sleeping rape.
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#36Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…
If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape.
There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.
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Strangely, a Russian diplomatic car didn't come to pick him up from the Ecuadorian embassy.
Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition
#38Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?
Wikileaks changed policy on redacting names. They used to do it, they stopped doing it.
People realised that indiscriminately dumping material without any attempt at removing names was dangerous. Assange has released names of gay people who live in countries where they could be killed for that; he's released names of Jewish people in Bagdhad; he's identified rape victims.
Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition
#39Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…
The second example is definitely the sort of thing that comes to mind when someone says prosecution for “rape” so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. In the US, the second act would be prosecuted as rape, not a lesser charge.
Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition
#40Assange is accused of unlawful coercion and "lesser-degree rape" (mindre grov våldtäkt). In the first case, the complainant willingly had an intercourse with him. But after sex, she realized that the condom had a hole. She claims that he made it. In the second case, the complainant also willingly had an intercourse with Assange, they slept naked together. The next day in the morning, he penetrated her without a condo…
And while it doesn't change the ethical and moral landscape around his alleged actions, people should be aware that what he is accused of is not illegal in the US.
Penetration of a sleeping person without consent is definitely illegal in the US, even if you had consensual sex the night before.