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During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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Re: During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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Was there any civilian submarime at that time? I doubt it.

I think it's a terminology problem you're hung up on. Sailors in the military are not technically soldiers; that word is reserved for members of an army.

That's what I was missing.

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I’d say the Soviet anthem is one of the best there is. They missed it so much it was brought back as the Russian national anthem after Yeltsin. Red Army Chorus has some good tracks like it. Very catchy and “patriotic” if you are in line to fight western imperialism.

I'm always sad how such a beautiful song had to be destroyed by such evil.

It wasn't destroyed.

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I'm always sad how such a beautiful song had to be destroyed by such evil.

It wasn't destroyed.

Huh? Connection with the Soviet Union and especially the Red Army surely destroys it for most, if not all, people I know. This song is most often described as "beautiful, but turn it fucking off because it reminds me of my dead family" around me. What is it, if not destroyed? Merely playing it in my headphones because of its beauty made me despisable in the eyes of my former classmates. Even I can't stop thinking about all the evil the Soviets did to my family while listening to it.

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post #82

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It wasn't destroyed.

Huh? Connection with the Soviet Union and especially the Red Army surely destroys it for most, if not all, people I know. This song is most often described as "beautiful, but turn it fucking off because it reminds me of my dead family" around me. What is it, if not destroyed? Merely playing it in my headphones because of its beauty made me despisable in the eyes of my former classmates. Even I can't stop thinking abo…

>* Huh? Connection with the Soviet Union and especially the Red Army surely destroys it for most, if not all, people I know. *

Those people are shallow. It's one of the most beloved anthems globally. Go check the comments in renditions of the anthem in YouTube.

Nobody cares if it was connected to USSR or not, the same way people can admire Gagarin and not care about the USSR connection.

Not to mention that there are worse things to be connected to than USSR -- USSR had several stages, including a more open stage (with many social firsts) in the NEP era, and a more or less conventional and more open post-60s part, it wasn't just stalinism and suppression all the way.

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post #84

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Huh? Connection with the Soviet Union and especially the Red Army surely destroys it for most, if not all, people I know. This song is most often described as "beautiful, but turn it fucking off because it reminds me of my dead family" around me. What is it, if not destroyed? Merely playing it in my headphones because of its beauty made me despisable in the eyes of my former classmates. Even I can't stop thinking abo…

>* Huh? Connection with the Soviet Union and especially the Red Army surely destroys it for most, if not all, people I know. * Those people are shallow. It's one of the most beloved anthems globally. Go check the comments in renditions of the anthem in YouTube. Nobody cares if it was connected to USSR or not, the same way people can admire Gagarin and not care about the USSR connection. Not to mention that there are…

Oh please. Tell that to the people occupied by them from 1968 to 1989. I'm happy to put you in contact.

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post #84

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>* Huh? Connection with the Soviet Union and especially the Red Army surely destroys it for most, if not all, people I know. * Those people are shallow. It's one of the most beloved anthems globally. Go check the comments in renditions of the anthem in YouTube. Nobody cares if it was connected to USSR or not, the same way people can admire Gagarin and not care about the USSR connection. Not to mention that there are…

Oh please. Tell that to the people occupied by them from 1968 to 1989. I'm happy to put you in contact.

Well, I just happened to have feedback from some of them, e.g. in Romania:

"The INSCOP Research poll revealed that 44.4 percent of the respondents believed that living conditions were better under communism, 15.6 said that they had stayed the same, while only 33.6 claimed that life was worse back then."

And that's from 2014.

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Not mentioned - National Geographic did a whole spread on the wonderful new Glomar Explorer science vessel and all the wonderful science it was going to be doing - I wonder how much the CIA paid for that bunch of lies

I remember that article too. It certainly would be interesting to know whether Nat Geo was directly complicit with the CIA, or was just taken in by the cover story.

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Oh please. Tell that to the people occupied by them from 1968 to 1989. I'm happy to put you in contact.

Well, I just happened to have feedback from some of them, e.g. in Romania: "The INSCOP Research poll revealed that 44.4 percent of the respondents believed that living conditions were better under communism, 15.6 said that they had stayed the same, while only 33.6 claimed that life was worse back then." And that's from 2014.

Have you been in Romania? That place is comparable to a third world country outside of major cities. Of course it was better when it was heavily subsidised - at the cost of my (Czech) grandfathers' lives.

Source: Last year I spent 6 weeks travelling around Romania and Moldova

Your attempt to relativise what Soviets did is a spit in face of each one of the 65 million victims.

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post #70

> In this post-Cuban Missile Crisis era, both American and Soviet submarines prowled the open seas with nuclear weapons aboard, prepared for potential war. They still do that, no?

Not just American and Soviet (or Russian now) - just 10 years ago a French and British nuclear submarine crashed in the middle of the Atlantic.

Both highly advanced, almost undetectable submarines, failed to detect each other. The odds of meeting like that in such a big ocean must be miniscule.

Re: During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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post #53

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That may well have been to provide power to passive listening devices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)

It’s amazing to think that it was invented by Theramin. Also: Theremin created the Buran eavesdropping system. A precursor to the modern laser microphone, it worked by using a low-power infrared beam from a distance to detect sound vibrations in glass windows.

Theremin is one of the true geniuses, the list of inventions and fields is incredible.
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