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This seems mind bogglingly dangerous. At least with commercial self-driving vehicles, there is a responsible legal entity (the car manufacturer). The thought of thousands of amateurs and enthusiasts releasing their hacked self-driving cars on the public roads is terrifying.

The disclaimer "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS" is nice, but I can't that stopping the mindset of "I've just tweaked the algorithm a bit; let's see how it goes".

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I work as a lead autonomous vehicle engineer. Here's a few thoughts: * This isn't really open-source. The most important part, the neural network perception pipeline, is closed sourced. Without the training data and the network architectures, the supporting code is not that useful. * This system is non-deterministic, which is a no-no in critical systems like autonomous vehicle. There's no guarantee that vehicle detec…

1) They actually open sourced the vision pipeline code a few months ago. The visiond binary has been replaced by source code. 2) Yeah. The proper way to do these things is with a real RTOS, but at the same time 20hz is pretty slow anyways.

The model, training tooling, and data appear to still be closed, no? So it’s still a black box, just now the “load the model binary and run it” part is open source.

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For those who haven't seen Openpilot before, or recently: * George Hotz (not "Hortz") is working on other stuff now [0], and is no longer CEO. * While "I'm running open-source self-driving software from GitHub" sounds terrifying, the software is very good at what it does, which is very limited (LKAS / ACC / driver monitoring). Browsing test videos on YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=openpilot+0.…

Damn, I was actually planning on applying to Comma for an internship because George Hotz was there, just to see if I could learn anything from him.

I've toyed with the idea of applying to comma, seemed like a good idea to learn tons in computer vision. but if anything Hotz himself would be why I wouldn't do it. I enjoy the roots of his f u attitude - but : we're so much smarter than anyone else in this market, is simply not true

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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This seems mind bogglingly dangerous. At least with commercial self-driving vehicles, there is a responsible legal entity (the car manufacturer). The thought of thousands of amateurs and enthusiasts releasing their hacked self-driving cars on the public roads is terrifying. The disclaimer "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS" is nice, but I can't that stopping the mindset of "I've just t…

The video[1] says (verbatim):

>OpenPilot allows you to be driving hands free and feet free for long periods of time without intervention.

Holy fucking shit no. This is completely reckless.

If they want their code to be used for research purposes, then set up a site with contact information which researches can use to get a copy of the source code. Having YouTube videos saying "buy this hardware, hook it up to your car and now it's self-driving" (yes they say self-driving in the description) is in no way responsible.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOIin4p70w

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#56

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

>This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail. There are literally thousands of community members using this software on a daily basis, driving thousands of miles in real life situations daily. I've been commuting to work with it for 3 months now and it's the most lifechanging piece of tech I've come across since the iPhone. I get on the highway, engage the…

>I get on the highway, engage the system, and sit back sipping my coffee for the next 45 minutes.

Please, do not do this.

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I've been using Openpilot in my 2018 Corolla for the past few months. Some takeaways: It's mind-blowingly good. Easily on par with Autopilot (That is, Autopilot's ACTUAL capabilities, not what they show in marketing promos). For long highway trips, it's easy to go hours without a disengagement. The full setup costs about $800, is completely plug-and-play, and you can order everything you need on the site (EON/Panda/G…

I had no idea the software was in use and this stable! Is the discord community the best way to follow progress or are there other resources?

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#58

This seems mind bogglingly dangerous. At least with commercial self-driving vehicles, there is a responsible legal entity (the car manufacturer). The thought of thousands of amateurs and enthusiasts releasing their hacked self-driving cars on the public roads is terrifying. The disclaimer "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS" is nice, but I can't that stopping the mindset of "I've just t…

There is nothing illegal about modifying your own car.

People have been doing so since cars were invented.

"Amateur" car modifications are already very wide spread.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

#59

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

>This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail. There are literally thousands of community members using this software on a daily basis, driving thousands of miles in real life situations daily. I've been commuting to work with it for 3 months now and it's the most lifechanging piece of tech I've come across since the iPhone. I get on the highway, engage the…

This is extremely reckless

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

#60

I work as a lead autonomous vehicle engineer. Here's a few thoughts: * This isn't really open-source. The most important part, the neural network perception pipeline, is closed sourced. Without the training data and the network architectures, the supporting code is not that useful. * This system is non-deterministic, which is a no-no in critical systems like autonomous vehicle. There's no guarantee that vehicle detec…

I'd love to try it out but I can't bring myself to trust (on any level) something that's essentially a mobile phone running a hacked-together mashup of C and Python. There's no redundancy, no independent components cross-checking each other, nothing as far as I'm aware to try and provide any given level of reliability.

(Don't get me wrong, Python is great for research - I wouldn't regard it as highly reliable or good for high-availability systems, though.)

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