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Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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Lab grown meat could also eliminate jobs for thousands of people. Got any ideas how a 50-something fisherman is supposed to put those lab grown meals on his/her table once their job is gone?

No industry is safe from disruption. Governments need robust training programs and social safety nets for late career individuals in all industries in transition.

Retraining is hard and will become useless when more and more jobs are destroyed. UBI is an example of "For every problem there is a solution which is simple, clean and wrong". So what do we do?

Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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I have a sinking feeling this kind of synthetic food production is just a bait for health-wary consumers. After reeling in enough customers, lab-grown fish produced for profit will inevitably have to deteriorate in quality to maintain/increase revenue. Can this kind of endeavor scale? Can it be introduced to schools, for example? I'm sure some consumers will swallow the idea hook, line and sinker but I see it as just…

You're assuming fish and seafood and quality goods. Fish is known to have lots of heavy metals for instance.

Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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I'm skeptical. This article makes huge claims about what they've done, but looking at BlueNalu's website, there are no pictures of the lab or actual fish that they've made. This seems like a submarine article (http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html) no pun intended.

Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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That was the point of the comment.

But Impossible does not and has not ever claimed to be lab grown meat.

Fair enough. I was responding to your response to GP (which claimed it did so claim before the bait&switch). I have no dog in this hunt - just tracking grammar and claims. Probably makes me a Nazi.

Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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What is never brought up in the lab grown meat discussion is the potential to mitigate human suffering. Working a fishing boat is hard. Working a poultry plant is hard and psychologically stressful. Lab grown meat could eliminate that for thousands of people.

I'm not impressed with academics who think all physical labor is torture. NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU OR WANT TO BE LIKE YOU! Sorry for the shouting...

This wouldn't stop somebody from fishing for fun/sport, unless you're saying it's common that people use industrial fishing equipment for fun.

Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not impressed with academics who think all physical labor is torture. NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU OR WANT TO BE LIKE YOU! Sorry for the shouting...

https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/features/W... “The ILO is keenly aware that people in the fishing sector often face harsh or difficult working conditions: they may spend long periods at sea and are frequently exposed to unpredictable and dangerous conditions. In a number of countries, the fatality rates for persons in the fishing sector are many times greater than the national average, for example h…

Much like cutting trees for a living, fishing - even of the net hauling and trap wrassling variety - can be very fulfilling and fun for a certain kind of person.

Re: Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?

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I have a sinking feeling this kind of synthetic food production is just a bait for health-wary consumers. After reeling in enough customers, lab-grown fish produced for profit will inevitably have to deteriorate in quality to maintain/increase revenue. Can this kind of endeavor scale? Can it be introduced to schools, for example? I'm sure some consumers will swallow the idea hook, line and sinker but I see it as just…

I don't think it's inevitable that quality has to deteriorate. I buy all sorts of manufactured products that are perfectly good; competition in balanced, well-run markets keeps producers in line. And personally, I'm willing to pay extra for lab-grown. I'm sure they'll sell that as a health benefit; it's much easier to avoid contaminants. But for me it's about minimized negative externalities. I don't have to worry th…

"And personally, I'm willing to pay extra for lab-grown."

I believe this mindset amongst thoughtful consumers like yourself only do harm. Like with other trendy foods that get popularized for health or whatever reason, it incentivizes the producers to raise the prices and when consumers like yourself accept that price, it sends a signal to them. The product then becomes too expensive for regular normal people to afford, so only wealthier families can afford to eat them and get those health benefits. If it is imperative for us to make healthy and sustainable diets more widespread, we must strive to make it as accessible as possible. Same with the beyond burger stuff or any other vegetarian/vegan products.

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