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Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by HALtheWise »

lixtra wrote: post #9
rightbyte wrote: post #2

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

One side of me agrees, the other thinks of the Wright brothers. Oh wait, they got someone killed.

I am genuinely interested, do you think that the Wright Brothers should not have developed the technology that they did because of the risk that someone would get killed? I am having trouble imagining any way (at least at the time, but probably today as well) of inventing manned flight without anybody dying in the process.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by JustFinishedBSG »

kyle_martin1 wrote: post #27
useful wrote: post #15

Cool, I'd really like to use this for a small scale toy car. I'd never put it on something that could do more than bruise an ankle.

I have two recommendations for you Duckietown ( https://www.duckietown.org ) and AWS DeepRacer ( https://aws.amazon.com/deepracer ). Hope that helps! ------- If you want to get more serious about robotics then check out my website https://becomeautonomous.com

Also: https://www.donkeycar.com/

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by diyrobocars »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #42
kyle_martin1 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two recommendations for you Duckietown ( https://www.duckietown.org ) and AWS DeepRacer ( https://aws.amazon.com/deepracer ). Hope that helps! ------- If you want to get more serious about robotics then check out my website https://becomeautonomous.com

Also: https://www.donkeycar.com/

Also https://diyrobocars.com and https://diyrobocars.com.au in Australia. If anybody wants an invite to our Slack group and our "Hack and Race" meetups, send an email with your location to the address on my profile.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by a-dub »

kyle_martin1 wrote: post #25

I work as a lead autonomous vehicle engineer. Here's a few thoughts: * This isn't really open-source. The most important part, the neural network perception pipeline, is closed sourced. Without the training data and the network architectures, the supporting code is not that useful. * This system is non-deterministic, which is a no-no in critical systems like autonomous vehicle. There's no guarantee that vehicle detec…

1) They actually open sourced the vision pipeline code a few months ago. The visiond binary has been replaced by source code.

2) Yeah. The proper way to do these things is with a real RTOS, but at the same time 20hz is pretty slow anyways.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by a-dub »

a-dub wrote: post #44
kyle_martin1 wrote: post #25

I work as a lead autonomous vehicle engineer. Here's a few thoughts: * This isn't really open-source. The most important part, the neural network perception pipeline, is closed sourced. Without the training data and the network architectures, the supporting code is not that useful. * This system is non-deterministic, which is a no-no in critical systems like autonomous vehicle. There's no guarantee that vehicle detec…

1) They actually open sourced the vision pipeline code a few months ago. The visiond binary has been replaced by source code. 2) Yeah. The proper way to do these things is with a real RTOS, but at the same time 20hz is pretty slow anyways.

I should also mention that the RT approach isn't the holy grail either for time sensitive robotic control systems. Read up on the Pathfinder/vxWorks priority inversion bug if you'd like to see how hard deadlines can sometimes cause more problems than they solve...

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by aphextron »

rightbyte wrote: post #2

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

>This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

There are literally thousands of community members using this software on a daily basis, driving thousands of miles in real life situations daily. I've been commuting to work with it for 3 months now and it's the most lifechanging piece of tech I've come across since the iPhone. I get on the highway, engage the system, and sit back sipping my coffee for the next 45 minutes. It costs $800 to get fully setup with an EON/Panda/Giraffe and almost every Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai since 2017 is now supported. Check out some of the videos on youtube and you'll want one too.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by aphextron »

I've been using Openpilot in my 2018 Corolla for the past few months. Some takeaways:

It's mind-blowingly good. Easily on par with Autopilot (That is, Autopilot's ACTUAL capabilities, not what they show in marketing promos). For long highway trips, it's easy to go hours without a disengagement.

The full setup costs about $800, is completely plug-and-play, and you can order everything you need on the site (EON/Panda/Giraffe). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfF9l2-orTk

There's a huge active community working on adding support for more cars and even custom forks with more advanced features like dynamic follow. Someone even recently got a VW bus working with it. https://discordapp.com/invite/avCJxEX

Also it's just really freaking cool to have a self driving Corolla. Can't stress how much this thing has changed the way I view driving and going places. It's no longer a pain, but a joy to sit in stop and go traffic. It's not perfect, but it's pushing the border of level 3 autonomy and far better than anything that any manufacturer besides Tesla is shipping.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by cyrux004 »

rightbyte wrote: post #28
solarkraft wrote: post #24

How funny that this pops up just a few hours after I looked into it again. It's an exciting product. Even if it has no direct use, I feel better being driven around by an open piece of software that I could in theory inspect and change. Closed-source stuff is just a black box expected to do magic. Doesn't feel good. The story behind the man is quite interesting as well. When I was 9 he was the guy I got the jailbreak…

"Closed-source stuff is just a black box expected to do magic" Open Pilot is about as much black box as all the other self driving applications. The interfacing is open source. The machine learning is closed source. I've looked into the repos and didn't find any sign of the actual hard self driving parts, as it were last time I checked comma.ai. But sure, you can tune the steering P-controller for your Subaro if you…

visiond has been open sourced a few months back

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by a_t48 »

nwlieb wrote: post #31
bri3d wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they're often (always? can't say that as I haven't gone all the way into all of them, I suppose) built using actual real-time systems with latency guarantees rather than Python running on off-the-shelf Linux, to start...

Cruise uses ROS https://roscon.ros.org/2018/presentations/ROSCon2018_Lessons...

ROS (Robot Operating System) is not a RTOS (Real Time Operating System). ROS itself is very very non deterministic and has no guarantees about scheduling.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by amptorn »

HALtheWise wrote: post #41
lixtra wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One side of me agrees, the other thinks of the Wright brothers. Oh wait, they got someone killed.

I am genuinely interested, do you think that the Wright Brothers should not have developed the technology that they did because of the risk that someone would get killed? I am having trouble imagining any way (at least at the time, but probably today as well) of inventing manned flight without anybody dying in the process.

Inventing manned flight without anybody dying would have been completely possible. Use more caution, pay more attention to safety. But that's not the right hypothetical. This is inventing manned flight without endangering or killing innocent bystanders.
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