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During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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Re: During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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Post by lordleft »

cameldrv wrote: post #8

Possibly the coolest and most spooky Cold War artifact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJAJUJ41PBI It's the video on board the Glomar Explorer of a burial at sea ceremony of Soviet sailors found in the half of the submarine they managed to bring to the surface. Supposedly this was Top Secret until a copy was given to Yeltsin in 1991 or so.

"...As long as men the nations are suspicious of each other instruments of war will be constructed and brave men will die as these men have died in the service of their country. Today we honor these six men there shipmates and all men who give their lives in patriotic service. May the day quickly come when men will beat their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not rise up against nation - neither shall it be war anymore."

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Post by staticautomatic »

lordleft wrote: post #61
cameldrv wrote: post #8

Possibly the coolest and most spooky Cold War artifact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJAJUJ41PBI It's the video on board the Glomar Explorer of a burial at sea ceremony of Soviet sailors found in the half of the submarine they managed to bring to the surface. Supposedly this was Top Secret until a copy was given to Yeltsin in 1991 or so.

"...As long as men the nations are suspicious of each other instruments of war will be constructed and brave men will die as these men have died in the service of their country. Today we honor these six men there shipmates and all men who give their lives in patriotic service. May the day quickly come when men will beat their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not rise up against natio…

Only the dead have seen the end of war.

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Post by chupasaurus »

sandworm101 wrote: post #55
qychtkd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d say the Soviet anthem is one of the best there is. They missed it so much it was brought back as the Russian national anthem after Yeltsin. Red Army Chorus has some good tracks like it. Very catchy and “patriotic” if you are in line to fight western imperialism.

It's is a communist anthem. So it is meant to be sung by a group, ussually with instruments too. It is therefore always more impressive than others like the american which are mostly performed as solos. There was a canadian opera singer who did anthems for hockey games. He would sing three notes then turn the mic to the crowd. That is how national anthems should be done. There is also a great vid of a game where the…

> It's is a communist anthem. So it is meant to be sung by a group, ussually with instruments too.

The song was made originally as Bolsheviks' Party anthem with completely different lyrics (and author of them).

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Post by Waterluvian »

cameldrv wrote: post #8

Possibly the coolest and most spooky Cold War artifact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJAJUJ41PBI It's the video on board the Glomar Explorer of a burial at sea ceremony of Soviet sailors found in the half of the submarine they managed to bring to the surface. Supposedly this was Top Secret until a copy was given to Yeltsin in 1991 or so.

The speech is so sobering and self-aware. I wish I saw more of this side when I studied the cold war in high school. There was always a bit of, "wow people from the past were so blind and naive."

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Post by chupasaurus »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #49
seppin wrote: post #37

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Allies is a bit much, they had a common enemy. Once the enemy was destroyed, no longer allies. Compare that to US/UK aka true allies.

Really? There were joint operations, they received US lend-lease like Britain, there were regular Arctic convoys to Murmansk and Archangel. Not just food and supply aid, Britain sent well over 1,000 Spitfires and 3,000 Hurricanes, the US over 6,000 P39s and P40s. No end of tanks and other vehicles too, including over 75,000 jeeps. An alliance in every sense - it just wasn't a permanent alliance. Allied even though fe…

> Not just food and supply aid...

The whole army and the workers of the most crucial factories had ate almost exclusively a lend-lease food from USA, also after food stock depletion in 1943 Soviet Union increased the demand of food over weaponry to ¼ of supplies' tonnage (that's how my grandmother had a first taste of chocolate at the age of 9). So don't talk like it was "just food", some (due to widely censored documents and history classes) of us still know how crucial this support was, along with trucks, air fuel and others.

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Post by refurb »

auntienomen wrote: post #60
seppin wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allies is a bit much, they had a common enemy. Once the enemy was destroyed, no longer allies. Compare that to US/UK aka true allies.

This shouldn't be downvoted because it's spot on. Russia and the US were allies of convenience right up to the moment the tide turned. After that it was a race to be first in Berlin. They were competing militarily before the Germans had surrendered.

This is very true. A lot of the materiel support for the USSR was to stay on good terms while the USSR continued to throw soldiers into the meat grinder of the Eastern Front.

For the UK and US, it was much cheaper sending tanks and jeeps and letting the USSR sacrifice the lives.

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Post by sien »

CalChris wrote: post #10
Udik wrote: post #9

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I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?

It's a kick ass anthem but I like the Pet Shop Boys Go West better, especially the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M

Apparently the Anthem of the Soviet Union is arguably a reworking of Pachabel's Canon as well:

The song was written by Jacques Morali, Henri Belolo and the group's lead singer Victor Willis. The melody is based on the State Anthem of the Soviet Union composed by Alexander Alexandrov, which was itself a reworking of Pachelbel's Canon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_West_(song)

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Post by caf »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #35
jacquesm wrote: post #14

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> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?

The phrase "Cold War" isn't without meaning. They were generally deemed to be the enemy by Americans at that time, enough so that Americans were often surprised to learn that Russia and the US were on the same side during WW2. This is how search auto completed my query on the matter: were russia and us allies in ww2 That suggests people are still surprised to learn that and routinely search that question. Americans t…

On the other hand, this operation was contemporaneous with pictures like this: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/467434main_a...
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