Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 • Hacker News Board

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by mschuster91 » Sat, May 11, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #254

mschuster91 wrote: post #155

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> it's no different "luxury" than having underfloor heating in your bathroom. It's comparably unnecessary, just on a different financial scale. Underfloor heating is not unnecessary, in fact it is about 10% more efficient in operating cost[1] as it can operate at lower inlet temperatures (30-35 °C, compared to 60+ °C for conventional radiators). In addition conventional radiators are often placed on the outside-facin…

And $100k home cinema is more efficient than having to go to actual cinema. Still, a luxury.

No, you want a heating in your home regardless, and if both options have the same cost, then it is not a luxury, it's standard (at least when compared to other modern countries, though)

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by la_barba » Sat, May 11, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

jameskegel wrote: post #368

la_barba wrote: post #346

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If you don't want an internet enabled device, then you are looking in the wrong place. The I in IoT stands for internet.

That’s the point here though isn’t it? I don’t want the internet involved with turning the lights on when I have to get up at night.

I don't want the internet involved either, so we agree on that. Can we also agree that some people want internet enabled devices?

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by la_barba » Sat, May 11, 2019, 8:35 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #352

la_barba wrote: post #346

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If you don't want an internet enabled device, then you are looking in the wrong place. The I in IoT stands for internet.

This is the crazy thing. IoT is actually advertising with a requirement , not a feature. Since when has "needs internet access to function" become a selling point?

>Since when has "needs internet access to function" become a selling point?

That is a good question. I don't know. But I'd say it became a selling point after the internet became ubiquitous and reliable enough in the eyes of consumers. Otherwise people would be complaining about 'needs internet access to watch a movie/make a video call/play a game/push source code/order food/call a taxi/etc/etc/etc".

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by brachi » Sun, May 12, 2019, 12:44 AM UTC

donatj wrote: post #348

brachi wrote: post #304

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In my experience, when I researched some of the official forums some time ago, there was no public documentation of the protocols. I still have to use the Android app to onboard a bulb (which will fail if you forget to deactivate mobile data on your phone). Then, I was pretty satisfied using lifxlan in Python ( https://github.com/mclarkk/lifxlan )

There is absolutely public documentation [1] and has been for years. I've used it extensively to help maintain a Go connector [2]. It's a binary protocol and it's just a matter of spraying your network with broadcast UDP packets. 1. https://lan.developer.lifx.com/ 2. https://github.com/2tvenom/golifx

Thanks, I need to go back and re-read those docs. My problem was with the onboarding. From a quick look your library assumes the bulbs are already onboarded, like the one in Python?

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by wglb » Sun, May 12, 2019, 3:50 AM UTC

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #200

rayiner wrote: post #193

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It will never be worked out. Desktop computing is how many decades old? And it’s still crap. Basic Windows desktop functions still have intermittent problems (that missing file issue in Windows 10). Computer controlled consumer stuff will never reach the reliability and predictability of dumb consumer electronics.

And how many times have you had a flat tire?

In over 60 years of driving maybe twice. Software doesn’t even come close. Read the part about merchantability and fitness for purpose.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by DannyBee » Sun, May 12, 2019, 10:08 PM UTC

freyr wrote: post #309

DannyBee wrote: post #132

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Airport stuff, Ping, Monster branded beats headphones, etc. You can get support for mac/etc stuff for 5 years after purchase (which admittedly is nice). However, before you decide that is awesome, things like the headphones were killed with no support regardless of purchase date. Apple also refuses to call anything it stopped manufacturing "canceled" at all. It deliberately tries to message this part, calling them "v…

Very weak examples. Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014. Airport had a long run, and even when discontinued, Apple offered to service Airport products for five years. Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users.

"Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014.

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Oh well, did you remove everything on the list that Google shut down post-acquisition? No? Okay then.

"Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users."

Would you change your tune if you discovered the canceled google products had less users than Ping?

Google isn't cancelling majority-user products either. If the whole point is not to hurt the minority, you are just showing you aren't willing to apply the same standards.

This whole comment feels that way - a strong inability to apply the same standards to two companies.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by bookofjoe » Fri, May 17, 2019, 5:58 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #363

bookofjoe wrote: post #93

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And how about my long unused (over 35 years!) but still working 1967 (built when my house was constructed) central vacuum?

Why don't you use yours? I would love to be able to just carry a plastic tube over lugging the vacuum around the house.

1. It's noisy 2. The coupling and uncoupling effort is significant 3. The anticlimax of having to go down to the basement and empty out the canister after having completed vacuuming

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Post by freyr » Sun, May 19, 2019, 7:50 AM UTC

DannyBee wrote: post #376

freyr wrote: post #309

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Very weak examples. Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014. Airport had a long run, and even when discontinued, Apple offered to service Airport products for five years. Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users.

"Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014. " Oh well, did you remove everything on the list that Google shut down post-acquisition? No? Okay then. "Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users." Would you change your tune if you discovered the canceled google products had less users than Ping? Google isn't cancelling majority-user produ…

Again, the Monster partnership ended pre-acquisition.

I’m not criticizing Google or defending Apple. I’m just saying, your examples weren’t very convincing. If that’s the worst of Apple’s product cancellations (including one claim which wasn’t even true), that’s way better than average.