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Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by cs02rm0 »

lukeqsee wrote: post #3

One side of me thinks this is really, really cool. The other side is running away as fast as possible. If anything shouldn't be developed by committee, it's something that controls a few thousand pounds hurtling down the highway at 70MPH with at best an observant human watching over it. Here's my reasoning: Mistakes in Django? Bad things happen. Mistakes in the Linux kernel? Potentially really bad things happen. Mist…

Anyone could anyway. I'd imagine this is safer than a solo effort.

I think it's cool. Driving is risky anyway, this sort of thing could help improve that. I'm not sure it's any worse than a closed source alternative.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by djsumdog »

lixtra wrote: post #9
rightbyte wrote: post #2

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

One side of me agrees, the other thinks of the Wright brothers. Oh wait, they got someone killed.

He did? Wow, I have never heard this story:

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-first-fatal-airplane-crash-177...

..he killed an Army Lt during a demonstration, and took some pretty bad injuries to himself.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by rightbyte »

snazz wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unlikely he chills until someone dies or property in excess of hundreds of thousands of dollars is damaged, and an attorney pursues him personally. A hacker ethos is no defense against a personal judgement you can never repay in a lifetime. Unlike most judgments, punitive damages awards are not dischargeable in bankruptcy as long as the relevant cause of action was based upon willful actions. The audience won't…

No Tesla programmers have been arrested for Autopilot-related crashes.

Tesla probably have the paperwork and certs in order when NTSB knocks the door. NHTSA have already shut down comma.ai products before. EDIT: I personally thinks it's a bit to reckless to let the general public use the Autopilot in it's present state.

https://comma.ai/shop/products/eon-gold-dashcam-devkit

"Retrofit your car with a copilot." "Note: This product is not designed to drive a car. This product is designed to be a dashcam."

With comma.ai hosting firmware via Github to do self-driving with it, it's hard to imagine that NTSB will buy that.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by djsumdog »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #8
snazz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Tesla programmers have been arrested for Autopilot-related crashes.

Tesla makes it extremely clear to its users what the shared responsibility model is for Autopilot features (through warning messages at each Autopilot engagement and in the user's manual for all Tesla vehicles), and has general counsel on staff to reinforce this through legal actions indemnifying their staff. Openpilot is a drastically different model. It is a software breadboard for your own vehicle. For example, th…

I remember Germany regulators wanted Tesla to stop branding it as "auto-pilot" when really their features are more like Lane Assist and Adaptive Cruse that many other vehicles have.

Also, Tesla's have had their share of issues (the car that ran into an off-ram barrier killing the driver, the guy who was passed out for hours before his Tesla crashed), but they're also a large enough company they've probably settled some or all of these cases out of court.

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Post by gjs278 »

djsumdog wrote: post #7
lukeqsee wrote: post #3

One side of me thinks this is really, really cool. The other side is running away as fast as possible. If anything shouldn't be developed by committee, it's something that controls a few thousand pounds hurtling down the highway at 70MPH with at best an observant human watching over it. Here's my reasoning: Mistakes in Django? Bad things happen. Mistakes in the Linux kernel? Potentially really bad things happen. Mist…

To be fair, all self driving systems need to be fully open, to be inspected by the public. They are way too safety critical to be closed silos controlled by each car company. But I agree, projects like this are also potentially dangerous. How extensive is the testing? Where is the liability? Is that unit running a read-time OS that will not deadlock or have thrashing which could result in a crash? I've written about…

cope however you want. I have a tesla the auto braking alone saved my ass once. you’re going to get into an accident one day that a modern car would have avoided.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by gjs278 »

rightbyte wrote: post #2

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

you need to chill. he will not go to jail for writing software and releasing it. the fact that you think it’s ok to jail people for programming makes me want to throw you in the gulag instead.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by petters »

lukeqsee wrote: post #3

One side of me thinks this is really, really cool. The other side is running away as fast as possible. If anything shouldn't be developed by committee, it's something that controls a few thousand pounds hurtling down the highway at 70MPH with at best an observant human watching over it. Here's my reasoning: Mistakes in Django? Bad things happen. Mistakes in the Linux kernel? Potentially really bad things happen. Mist…

What's the alternative for something as complex as self-driving system?

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by rightbyte »

lixtra wrote: post #9
rightbyte wrote: post #2

This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

One side of me agrees, the other thinks of the Wright brothers. Oh wait, they got someone killed.

Ye, it is cool.

How ever, I feel there's a huge difference between pioneering flying and risking the general public's lives to feed your proprietary machine learning model. Because Hortz hasen't released that part of the software right? Last time I checked it was still closed source.

Re: Openpilot – open-source self-driving agent

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Post by confounded »

lukeqsee wrote: post #3

One side of me thinks this is really, really cool. The other side is running away as fast as possible. If anything shouldn't be developed by committee, it's something that controls a few thousand pounds hurtling down the highway at 70MPH with at best an observant human watching over it. Here's my reasoning: Mistakes in Django? Bad things happen. Mistakes in the Linux kernel? Potentially really bad things happen. Mist…

How do you think the propriety systems work?
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