Sort of an inverse James Bond story. In this case, a reclusive billionaire was helping the spies.
During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw
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Re: During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw
#32I think this was partly spoofed in a Charles Stross book -
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14150.The_Jennifer_Morgu...
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?
> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?
No? Why do you think that?
Ask a Vietnam War veteran, or a Korean War veteran, if they fought any enemy soldiers at any point. War was not declared in those cases either.
And these are obviously not soldiers in the first place - they're sailors.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?
It's a kick ass anthem but I like the Pet Shop Boys Go West better, especially the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M
I prefer Moskau
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?
> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?
The phrase "Cold War" isn't without meaning. They were generally deemed to be the enemy by Americans at that time, enough so that Americans were often surprised to learn that Russia and the US were on the same side during WW2.
This is how search auto completed my query on the matter: were russia and us allies in ww2
That suggests people are still surprised to learn that and routinely search that question. Americans tend to believe that Russia has always been our enemy and remains so in the eyes of many Americans to this day.
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#36The ship is still operational https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Explorer Currently is used for deep sea oil drilling.
It is actually being scrapped. It arrived at a Chinese scrap yard in 2015.
For years, it was moored in Suisan Bay along with other WW2 vessels. You could see it driving along the bay on 680. I'm not sure what happened to the barge. It went back to Lockheed's facilities in Redwood City for awhile but I don't think it is still there.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?
The phrase "Cold War" isn't without meaning. They were generally deemed to be the enemy by Americans at that time, enough so that Americans were often surprised to learn that Russia and the US were on the same side during WW2. This is how search auto completed my query on the matter: were russia and us allies in ww2 That suggests people are still surprised to learn that and routinely search that question. Americans t…
Allies is a bit much, they had a common enemy. Once the enemy was destroyed, no longer allies.
Compare that to US/UK aka true allies.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?
I’d say the Soviet anthem is one of the best there is. They missed it so much it was brought back as the Russian national anthem after Yeltsin. Red Army Chorus has some good tracks like it. Very catchy and “patriotic” if you are in line to fight western imperialism.
I'm always sad how such a beautiful song had to be destroyed by such evil.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?
No? Why do you think that? Ask a Vietnam War veteran, or a Korean War veteran, if they fought any enemy soldiers at any point. War was not declared in those cases either. And these are obviously not soldiers in the first place - they're sailors.
> War was not declared in those cases either.
Tell that to the dead.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?
No? Why do you think that? Ask a Vietnam War veteran, or a Korean War veteran, if they fought any enemy soldiers at any point. War was not declared in those cases either. And these are obviously not soldiers in the first place - they're sailors.
Was there any civilian submarime at that time? I doubt it.