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During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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Re: During Cold War, CIA Plucked Soviet Submarine from Ocean Floor Using Giant Claw

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Post by dogma1138 »

Udik wrote: post #9
cameldrv wrote: post #8

Possibly the coolest and most spooky Cold War artifact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJAJUJ41PBI It's the video on board the Glomar Explorer of a burial at sea ceremony of Soviet sailors found in the half of the submarine they managed to bring to the surface. Supposedly this was Top Secret until a copy was given to Yeltsin in 1991 or so.

I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?

At least as far as western warfare goes burying enemy soldiers, even with full honors is something that isn't that uncommon; even directly in the aftermath of a battle especially if the enemy showed considerable resistance and heroism.

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Post by dogma1138 »

ilamont wrote: post #7

two separate Soviet ships (likely loaded with intelligence operatives) closely monitored the supposed mining vessel as it worked to retrieve the submarine. It sounds like they knew exactly what was going on. Tangent: My grandfather was part of a U.S. Navy operation during WWII that was responsible for verifying enemy submarine sinkings ... basically, sending someone down to pick up an artifact that would prove the su…

Of course they knew, but there was very little they could do about it.

The Soviets and even Russia today kinda sucks at deep sea recovery, even to raise the Kursk they had to contract a Dutch company.

Russia never had much offshore oil, and while even for the US navy a sub sinking is likely a recovery operation rather than a rescue one the US navy seem have been much more concern with developing the operational capabilities to at least attempt a rescue.

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Post by qychtkd »

Udik wrote: post #9
cameldrv wrote: post #8

Possibly the coolest and most spooky Cold War artifact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJAJUJ41PBI It's the video on board the Glomar Explorer of a burial at sea ceremony of Soviet sailors found in the half of the submarine they managed to bring to the surface. Supposedly this was Top Secret until a copy was given to Yeltsin in 1991 or so.

I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?

I’d say the Soviet anthem is one of the best there is. They missed it so much it was brought back as the Russian national anthem after Yeltsin. Red Army Chorus has some good tracks like it. Very catchy and “patriotic” if you are in line to fight western imperialism.

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Post by jacquesm »

adventured wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> enemy For one to determine that soldiers are 'enemy soldiers' would there not have to be a state of declared war?

You must always be at declared war with your enemies? And why would it need to be "declared" - which is a subjective premise from nation to nation. Throughout recorded history nations have fought proxy and covert wars against their perceived enemies with no declaration. Ask Iran if they're at war with the US (maybe kinda sorta). Then ask them if the US is an enemy (definitely). The same would go for Iran and Israel.…

I note that the ceremony very carefully avoided using words such as 'enemy' so I don't think it is appropriate to use them in this thread either. The ceremony was about as respectful as it could have been absent other Russian representation.

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Post by arcticbull »

jacquesm wrote: post #26
adventured wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must always be at declared war with your enemies? And why would it need to be "declared" - which is a subjective premise from nation to nation. Throughout recorded history nations have fought proxy and covert wars against their perceived enemies with no declaration. Ask Iran if they're at war with the US (maybe kinda sorta). Then ask them if the US is an enemy (definitely). The same would go for Iran and Israel.…

I note that the ceremony very carefully avoided using words such as 'enemy' so I don't think it is appropriate to use them in this thread either. The ceremony was about as respectful as it could have been absent other Russian representation.

You should always respect your enemy! Failing to do so is a good way to lose a fight.

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Post by Udik »

CalChris wrote: post #10
Udik wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find it very spooky. Moving though, considering it's a solemn burial of the bodies of enemy soldiers. And if really it was top-secret, it's not even propaganda. Better times than ours. And how cool is the Soviet anthem?

It's a kick ass anthem but I like the Pet Shop Boys Go West better, especially the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M

It's indeed a great song and video, and it is based on the Soviet anthem :)
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