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A Geocode Is Not an Address

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Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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It's been discussed before, but what 3 words had a ton of flaws compared to other systems like pluscodes. What they do have is a great PR person who gets them fantastic advertising article like this one. https://github.com/google/open-location-code/wiki/Evaluation...

Chris Mellon, the author of this piece seems to be on their payroll, there are countless 'articles' by him in various media.

Seems like a good reason to flag this submission.

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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Most of the people(me included) want just an accurate address, easy to share/communicate and care very little about its story. Most of the street names have nothing to do with the actual place anyway. If you want to mark an event you can always build a landmark. I'm pretty sure that the young people have no problem with the new system(considering is more accurate) and this is a classic example of people resisting to…

It depends on were you live

In Europe it makes a lot of difference

In Italy, were I come from, streets history can go back centuries, some of them are thousands years old and many span across regions from South to North uninterrupted

Via Aurelia, started in 250 b.c. with a length of approximately 700 Kms is not gonna be replace by a triplet of random words anytime soon, I can guarantee it

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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Those new locating systems are solving problems which most of the people don't have. They make it even worse. We have street addresses in the most of the cities. In case someone call me if I can come to e.g. "Delnicka 43, Prague, Czech Republic" I know immediately where it is and I can say I can be there in 20 minutes. In case she tell me "mission back envy" I must connect to the Internet and check where exactly is i…

The last time I was in the Czech Republic (not Prague) I was staying on a long street where the street numbers seemed completely arbitrary. I passed 954, 37, 238, 952, 950, 77a,... all on my way to find the inn at number 120. Google maps directed me to a location 600m away, near number 124. Is that common in Czechia?

Usually here are two numbers for each address (there are even more specialized but it's not common): landmark - blue background and descriptive - red background (see [1]). "Blue" ones are better for orientation, they are in sequences, counted from 1, which start on the end of the street which is closer to some remarkable point in particular city (e.g. river at Prague). On one side of the street are odd numbers and on the other side are even numbers. Red ones are more "administrative" so they are not suitable for orientation. But at some smaller towns/villages or some parts of the cities are the only ones.

[1] https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozna%C4%8Dov%C3%A1n%C3%AD_dom%...

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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It seems (and sorry to sound blunt but it seems so) that Puerto Rico the State (not the people) has not done its homework in a long time. Japan has a much more complicated address system and they do not seem to have a problem. If FEMA does not know how to reach a point, the problem is not the type of address used, it is that nobody (in the Administration) has cared in quite a while.

Puerto Rico is a territory owned by the United States, not a state. The Democratic Party officially wants to make it a state; the Republican Party does not. PR has voted for statehood in two referenda, but voter turnout was low.

It is certainly true that FEMA is terrible at its job.

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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So, I live in the US, and our county went through a FEMA-backed 911 ‘address improvement plan’, where all physical addresses were changed to make it easier for first-responders to find a location.

This made response times worse, made data aggregation more difficult, caused issues with billing and package deliveries, and made me realize a physical address is arbitrary, and can be changed at the whim of the government, much like ‘time’.

So, address changes while physical location remains the same...code for that.

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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So, I live in the US, and our county went through a FEMA-backed 911 ‘address improvement plan’, where all physical addresses were changed to make it easier for first-responders to find a location. This made response times worse, made data aggregation more difficult, caused issues with billing and package deliveries, and made me realize a physical address is arbitrary, and can be changed at the whim of the government,…

Was it the transition that made things worse, or was it something intrinsic to the new addressing scheme? If the latter, can you elaborate on why it was worse?

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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It seems (and sorry to sound blunt but it seems so) that Puerto Rico the State (not the people) has not done its homework in a long time. Japan has a much more complicated address system and they do not seem to have a problem. If FEMA does not know how to reach a point, the problem is not the type of address used, it is that nobody (in the Administration) has cared in quite a while.

Puerto Rico is a territory owned by the United States, not a state. The Democratic Party officially wants to make it a state; the Republican Party does not. PR has voted for statehood in two referenda, but voter turnout was low. It is certainly true that FEMA is terrible at its job.

It seems pretty clear that the OP used "state" in a generic sense despite the admittedly confusing capitalization, not referring to a US state or a sovereign state but a general political organization that controls some land [1]. It's more than unnecessary to transition this into a remark on the mainstream US political parties.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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So, I live in the US, and our county went through a FEMA-backed 911 ‘address improvement plan’, where all physical addresses were changed to make it easier for first-responders to find a location. This made response times worse, made data aggregation more difficult, caused issues with billing and package deliveries, and made me realize a physical address is arbitrary, and can be changed at the whim of the government,…

Was it the transition that made things worse, or was it something intrinsic to the new addressing scheme? If the latter, can you elaborate on why it was worse?

Both?

So, my street name remained the same, but the physical address numbers changes from 910 to 582. 582 was a prior valid address for a house 5 blocks away.

So, some deliveries and mail comes to my house or my neighbors. It has been at least 2 years and we are still encountering mixups.

Delivery drivers will simply choose a house in the vicinity and leave the package there.

Also, when contacting certain companies to update the address, it would trigger an ‘event’ in their system that we had physically moved to a new location.

Also, billing address verifications for credit cards were hit or miss for a good year.

There was also the issue of a house fire, and the fire truck could not find the home based on the new address supplied by the 911 dispatcher.

Each geolocation address to lat-lon conversion would provide different results.

Zillow is super-messed up in our area now.

So, all on all, it helped nothing. It seemed like a government experiment on citizens’ reactions.

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it the transition that made things worse, or was it something intrinsic to the new addressing scheme? If the latter, can you elaborate on why it was worse?

Both? So, my street name remained the same, but the physical address numbers changes from 910 to 582. 582 was a prior valid address for a house 5 blocks away. So, some deliveries and mail comes to my house or my neighbors. It has been at least 2 years and we are still encountering mixups. Delivery drivers will simply choose a house in the vicinity and leave the package there. Also, when contacting certain companies t…

Do houses have the new numbers on them?

I would expect that, along with the numbers being rationalized (so they increase in one direction or the other), so I wonder what the hell is going on that the mail carriers can't get it right.

Re: A Geocode Is Not an Address

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris Mellon, the author of this piece seems to be on their payroll, there are countless 'articles' by him in various media.

Seems like a good reason to flag this submission.

The article seems to be against What3Words, so why would it be flag-worthy? I mean, he doesn't disclose the conflict of interest, but this doesn't seem an attempt to peddle a narrative that benefits the company in any way.
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