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Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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The worst syllogism in modern politics: Something must be done, this is something, therefore it must be done.

Tell me when your daughter is suicidal and suffering from ED/Self Harm.

Can you elaborate on this?

To me this reads as a complete non-sequitur to the GP. He's pointing out how the problem manifests in the political arena.

You're suggesting they don't have enough sympathy for young girls suffering from social media related depression?

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

ED? SV?

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

ED? SV?

ED == Eating Disorder, SV == Silicon Valley

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

ED? SV?

ED = Eating Disorder SV = Silicon Valley (I think)

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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It's one of the reasons the US system seems to be working best in these times; the constitution making laws difficult to change works perfectly to stop moral outrages and controversies and make people reconsider whether that 'something' is the best solution.

The reaction seems to be concentrating power in the President who can "do something". The centralizing of power and erosion of the original US system has been monotonic for the last 200 years. First they came for the states by broadening the interstate commerce clause far beyond any rational reading. And now congress has ceded its authority in key areas such as treaties (fast tracking), declarations of war, and in pr…

I believe 1/2 of congress is trying to subpoena information (the house) but the actual people who are responsible for obeying that subpoena are refusing to- and at the same time, those people are the people responsible to enforce any law to punish them for refusing subpoena. So they can essentially ignore congress's demands with no consequences. I think this has always been the case but hasn't happened so distinctly until now?

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reaction seems to be concentrating power in the President who can "do something". The centralizing of power and erosion of the original US system has been monotonic for the last 200 years. First they came for the states by broadening the interstate commerce clause far beyond any rational reading. And now congress has ceded its authority in key areas such as treaties (fast tracking), declarations of war, and in pr…

I believe 1/2 of congress is trying to subpoena information (the house) but the actual people who are responsible for obeying that subpoena are refusing to- and at the same time, those people are the people responsible to enforce any law to punish them for refusing subpoena. So they can essentially ignore congress's demands with no consequences. I think this has always been the case but hasn't happened so distinctly…

Congress has the power to "arrest and detain recalcitrant witnesses". The fact that this isn't being seriously considered is further evidence of the erosion of real power congress has.

For an example of what this looks like refer to the Sargent at Arms arresting someone in possession of Facebook documents the UK parliament wanted: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/24/mps-seize...

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of the reasons the US system seems to be working best in these times; the constitution making laws difficult to change works perfectly to stop moral outrages and controversies and make people reconsider whether that 'something' is the best solution.

The reaction seems to be concentrating power in the President who can "do something". The centralizing of power and erosion of the original US system has been monotonic for the last 200 years. First they came for the states by broadening the interstate commerce clause far beyond any rational reading. And now congress has ceded its authority in key areas such as treaties (fast tracking), declarations of war, and in pr…

I think if the current situation isn't ... resolved ... resulting in a significant transfer of power either by precedent, legislation, or judicial action away from the executive to the judicial branch, the legislative branch, and the states – I think if that doesn't happen that this will be an inflection point leading to the failure of the American Republic.

I think too many people take for granted the stability and continuation of a system of government.

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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PLOS One has very little reviewing standards and accepts almost all papers. Given how strongly linked smartphones are to all aspects of life. You are vastly underestimating difficulty of taking aways someone’s smartphone. Since worst case you can ask Cops and Telecom provider for location.

So block/delete instagram? I agree that something should probably be done, but I had to take the same steps to block reddit and the like.

I completely agree with you, except Apple indiscriminately destroyed an entire industry of parental control apps under guise of Privacy. How is a parent supposed to enforce this (blocking Instagram).

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reaction seems to be concentrating power in the President who can "do something". The centralizing of power and erosion of the original US system has been monotonic for the last 200 years. First they came for the states by broadening the interstate commerce clause far beyond any rational reading. And now congress has ceded its authority in key areas such as treaties (fast tracking), declarations of war, and in pr…

I think if the current situation isn't ... resolved ... resulting in a significant transfer of power either by precedent, legislation, or judicial action away from the executive to the judicial branch, the legislative branch, and the states – I think if that doesn't happen that this will be an inflection point leading to the failure of the American Republic. I think too many people take for granted the stability and…

In my opinion the parliamentary system has proven to be more effective. In this system the Prime Minister with a majority has near dictatorial control over both the legislature and the presidency so that he/she can move quickly.

However the backstop is the no confidence vote which operates like impeachment. This is not a theoretical power but is exercised relatively frequently in parliamentarian systems. Failure to pass a budget is also by default a no confidence vote making it very rare one isn't passed. I think deep down the US feels that as well. The democracies they have created throughout the world do not mirror the US system of government.

The problem we face today with the US centralizing power in the presidency is that impeachment is seen as a "nuclear option" and therefore is not an effective backstop.

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

It's not Instagram's problem, nor should it be made to be. Apple could certainly do more to facilitate MDM, but a phone known for letting your parents track your GPS and MITM your communications would not prove popular with the kids. In the end the parents are the ones provisioning the device, paying the phone bill and are ultimately responsible for both it and its user...yet they have no administrative privileges ov…

Giving parents unfettered ability to violate their children's privacy does not serve the children's interests.

Many parents are abusive. Many children are discovering a sexuality or identity that their parents would find unacceptable.

In these cases, and many more, ensuring that the parents can read every single message their children send—and every single website they access—is much more likely to lead to serious negative outcomes for the children (at best, a repressed identity; at worst, suicide due to having one's self rejected by one's parents).

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