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Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liberal ideology and privacy. As society wises up to this ruse we will see great push back against the fake SV philosophy.

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

As a technologist, I don't think I have a responsibility to the daughter's parents, either to do anything about the situation or to explain anything about it. I do have a responsibility to the daughter to get her the help she needs; that help is potentially not from her parents.

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

It's not Instagram's problem, nor should it be made to be.

Apple could certainly do more to facilitate MDM, but a phone known for letting your parents track your GPS and MITM your communications would not prove popular with the kids.

In the end the parents are the ones provisioning the device, paying the phone bill and are ultimately responsible for both it and its user...yet they have no administrative privileges over anything of relevance.

By all logic children should never be given access to fully-encrypted black boxes.

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Huh that’s a bizarre take on the situation. Try explaining this to a parent whose daughter is suffering from ED and Self Harm. The sociologist/apologists won’t let instagram do anything since it breaks their fantasy of free speech being always “net” positive. And Apple won’t let the parent monitor her own daughter because think about PRIVACY!!!! The truth is the industry optimizes for anarchy under the guise of liber…

As a technologist, I don't think I have a responsibility to the daughter's parents, either to do anything about the situation or to explain anything about it. I do have a responsibility to the daughter to get her the help she needs; that help is potentially not from her parents.

Great thanks for proving my point. Let’s replace technologist by medical professionals and you can see immediately that parents consent is required for most medical procedures barring edge cases where doctors get a court order. Oh also COPPA exists for this very deluded thinking that “technologist” like you have.

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The worst syllogism in modern politics: Something must be done, this is something, therefore it must be done.

Tell me when your daughter is suicidal and suffering from ED/Self Harm.

I have suffered from severe treatment-resistant depression since childhood, but that's completely irrelevant - anecdotal experiences are no substitute for good data. The best available data suggests that social media has a mix of positive and negative effects on self-harm and suicidal behaviour, with no clear net effect. Ill-conceived policy with a poor evidence base may stifle healthy conversation and connection, while doing little or nothing to reduce harms.

https://dx.doi.org/10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0077555

If you sincerely believe that your daughter's phone is trying to kill her, then take away her damned phone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me when your daughter is suicidal and suffering from ED/Self Harm.

I have suffered from severe treatment-resistant depression since childhood, but that's completely irrelevant - anecdotal experiences are no substitute for good data. The best available data suggests that social media has a mix of positive and negative effects on self-harm and suicidal behaviour, with no clear net effect. Ill-conceived policy with a poor evidence base may stifle healthy conversation and connection, wh…

PLOS One has very little reviewing standards and accepts almost all papers.

Given how strongly linked smartphones are to all aspects of life. You are vastly underestimating difficulty of taking aways someone’s smartphone. Since worst case you can ask Cops and Telecom provider for location.

Re: Social Media and Self Harm: The Need to ‘Do Something’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me when your daughter is suicidal and suffering from ED/Self Harm.

I have suffered from severe treatment-resistant depression since childhood, but that's completely irrelevant - anecdotal experiences are no substitute for good data. The best available data suggests that social media has a mix of positive and negative effects on self-harm and suicidal behaviour, with no clear net effect. Ill-conceived policy with a poor evidence base may stifle healthy conversation and connection, wh…

It’s not the phone but the companies that gather user data which is then used to psychologically influence people.
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