Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

venturebeat.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 204 posts

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#51

Post by gtfratteus »

memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

HN's hatred towards AMP is something I've never understood. As a user, I'd much rather visit an AMP website than have to deal with the atrocities devs create when left to their own devices.

In general, HN has a pretty strong bias against Google and Facebook. I suspect it may be clouding the average user's judgement. AMP has done immense good for the majority of users of the mobile web.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#52

Post by malchow »

memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

What about the fact that it was originally called Page Speed Project and was a genuinely open standard; that that was subsequently shut down in favor of AMP? That the difference between the two is that Page Speed did not have attractive collusive lock-in effects while AMP does have collusive lock-in effects?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#53

Post by JensRex »

mattkevan wrote: post #5

After switching to DDG few years ago, I used google search again for the first time in a while was surprised How bad their search has become. Not because it’s not good, it’s still better than DDG at certain things, but because the results have been crowded out by so much junk. There were so many ads, snippets, did you also means, and AMP widgets that there was only room for about eight actual search results. How have…

>How have they let their core product get so lost?

Search is not their core product. Google is an advertising company, and everything they do is centered around that.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#54

Post by MrStonedOne »

memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it.

I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon

I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user

I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means

I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars.

I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick

I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in the url bar just for this stupid fucking feature.

I hate that we now have a system where somebody can share a page url with a friend, and that friend can view it on t he same device model using the same browser with the same settings, and will get a different page because one was viewing an amp page but shared it's real url.

I hate that every fucking amp page is lower featured in some way, and almost never works in desktop mode.

And most of all, I hate that it leads to everybody offloading shit onto google's servers.

AMP is not fast because it's served from google's CDN. That's a lie, It has always been a lie, and it will always be a lie. AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages.

We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit.

And you know what, You want me to get off my hate train? Get google and all of the other search providers using it to solve complaint #2. That's really all it would take to get most of the hate to go away.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#55

Post by SllX »

jostmey wrote: post #11
judge2020 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google realizes their biggest loss leader is directing customers off of their website to other websites, so the best way to turn a profit is to either keep users on the site (snippets, calculators[0], amp) or to send them to other sites for a price via ads. 0: https://goo.gl/search/right+rectangular+pyramid+calc:+find+A

Except that people will stop using google if it can’t help them find useful information. Google’s leadership seems to not understand or not care about how the internet works

The unfortunate truth is that even as I do my level best to use another search engine, DuckDuckGo most recently, I still find myself disappointed and trying the Google results at least half the time.

I still think Google today isn’t as good as Google 10+ years ago, but I don’t think anything is as good as Google 10+ years ago. They don’t have to be flawless, they just have to be better than the rest, and they are. I settle for DuckDuckGo when I can, but when the results matter, I’ll still end up using Google.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#56

Post by dictum »

ohashi wrote: post #44
memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

Based on your comment history it sounds like you work at Google. Does that put blinders on your opinion?

I share the same distrust about Facebook and Google on HN, but only the latter seems to bring substantial downvotes.

To be fair, they have more employees, and I don't assume bad faith in the downvotes — I've been wrong more than a few times. Still, I sense that Google elicits a gratitude that is unjustified when it comes to relationships between companies, customers and employees.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#57

Post by morog »

mattkevan wrote: post #5

After switching to DDG few years ago, I used google search again for the first time in a while was surprised How bad their search has become. Not because it’s not good, it’s still better than DDG at certain things, but because the results have been crowded out by so much junk. There were so many ads, snippets, did you also means, and AMP widgets that there was only room for about eight actual search results. How have…

Unfortunately if you're a long way from ddg servers it's many seconds longer than Google to load, making it a poor proposition in many parts of the world (southern Africa for example)

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#58

Post by geofft »

memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

"Users appreciate" and "is it good for the world" are different metrics. I'm sure many users appreciate drive-thru daiquiri stores, and they get plenty of business, but it's perfectly understandable why people would dislike their existence.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#59

Post by founderling »

It seems like Google thinks of the web as "their thing". Just like Facebook owns Facebook and Amazon owns Amazon, it seems Google wants to own the web and turn it into Google.

Amp pages are similar to a Page on Facebook or an Article on Amazon. The author is limited to what the platform allows. And the visitors stay on the platform.

I wonder how that will turn out for Google.

I wonder how that will turn out for the web.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#60

Post by DocG »

memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

Personal subjective experience does not show that AMP pages load faster. It has been the opposite, where Google servers have failed to deliver the page.

But mostly I hate that URL crap. Give me my URL bar functionality back with original host URL. And that there is no way to disable AMP from results.

We do not recommend our clients to use AMP.

Post reply on HN