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India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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death by dozen cuts. If major countries keep fining and forcing them to change behavior eventually it will hurt

Countries probably need Android more than Android needs countries. How would India like to have a choice between iOS & BlackBerry? Android losing India as a market would suck a bit for Android, but life would go on.

There is a little country called China that has plenty of “Android” phones that have no Google services.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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Recently there was this too (made quite some noise on social networks) : https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/05/08/kiwi-browser-remove... Ok, this story is more about Google Play Store but I feel like there is maybe (in my opinion) some conflict and abuse of dominant position here too. Felt like it was relevant will all the other Google stories in the last days (Nest for ex.)

For people who want this feature, consider NewPipe on F-Droid. A perfect example how a proprietary "app" does not do what you want whereas a FOSS app does .

You mean break the copyright law? YouTube is very clear that they want you to pay for the content/service to play content in background.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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post #16

death by dozen cuts. If major countries keep fining and forcing them to change behavior eventually it will hurt

Countries probably need Android more than Android needs countries. How would India like to have a choice between iOS & BlackBerry? Android losing India as a market would suck a bit for Android, but life would go on.

I'm sure India can make its own operating system if it needs to.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people who want this feature, consider NewPipe on F-Droid. A perfect example how a proprietary "app" does not do what you want whereas a FOSS app does .

You mean break the copyright law? YouTube is very clear that they want you to pay for the content/service to play content in background.

That's a Terms of Service violation, not copyright law violation.

And enforcement of law and contract should not be built into programs - they're supposed to serve the user, not betray them to corporations and government.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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The irony is strong with this one considering a lot of Government apps do not work without Google Play Services. Including incredibly popular payment apps like BHIM which was developed by NPCI (National Payments Corporation of India). I know cos I have a phone without Play Services and using Government apps is out of question. Thankfully, there are web alternatives for all servuces

NPCI, contrary to what the name seems to imply, is not a government company or organization. It’s a consortium of government and private banks (including the likes of foreign banks like Citibank and HSBC). Its payment services are allowed by the RBI. Neither is the BHIM app a government app. It’s an NPCI app.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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Digital literacy is very poor in India. Most people in India wouldn’t understand what a browser choice actually means, even if Google is forced to provide it. I’m sure Google would also frame the browser choice with dark patterns to make Chrome the default, so that it can continue earning money from ads since Chrome doesn’t support extensions on Android (thwarting ad blocking).

Since this probe may take a year or longer (things usually take longer in India), the impact on Google would be very less. Google could figure out ways to appease the CCI without sacrificing much.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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post #25
post #17

The irony is strong with this one considering a lot of Government apps do not work without Google Play Services. Including incredibly popular payment apps like BHIM which was developed by NPCI (National Payments Corporation of India). I know cos I have a phone without Play Services and using Government apps is out of question. Thankfully, there are web alternatives for all servuces

NPCI, contrary to what the name seems to imply, is not a government company or organization. It’s a consortium of government and private banks (including the likes of foreign banks like Citibank and HSBC). Its payment services are allowed by the RBI. Neither is the BHIM app a government app. It’s an NPCI app.

Ah, seems that you are right. The government doesn't own it, but sure does seem to have a controlling stake through the Public Sector Banks.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean break the copyright law? YouTube is very clear that they want you to pay for the content/service to play content in background.

That's a Terms of Service violation, not copyright law violation. And enforcement of law and contract should not be built into programs - they're supposed to serve the user, not betray them to corporations and government.

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Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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post #22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people who want this feature, consider NewPipe on F-Droid. A perfect example how a proprietary "app" does not do what you want whereas a FOSS app does .

You mean break the copyright law? YouTube is very clear that they want you to pay for the content/service to play content in background.

It is a ToS violation at worst.

There are numerous reasons to use the application.

1) FOSS, available in F-Droid.

2) Multitasking.

3) No ghost touching

4) Saves battery.

My alternative would be using Firefox where I utilize uBlock.

Re: India orders anti-trust probe of Google for alleged Android abuse

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Recently there was this too (made quite some noise on social networks) : https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/05/08/kiwi-browser-remove... Ok, this story is more about Google Play Store but I feel like there is maybe (in my opinion) some conflict and abuse of dominant position here too. Felt like it was relevant will all the other Google stories in the last days (Nest for ex.)

Fuck man, this is ridiculous!

> Chromium-based Kiwi Browser attracted widespread attention last month after it added support for desktop Chrome extensions. The app recently vanished from the Play Store, and while some assumed it was due to the browser's new extension support, it was apparently removed due to its ability to play YouTube videos in the background — functionality that is supposed to be reserved for the native YouTube app with a Premium subscription.

Fuck this shit man. As a kid I always wanted to work for Google. And now as a teen I find it hard to believe how they turned on the whole "don't do evil" thing.

It's like a friend put it the last time I was ranting about this:

"Its like funding out your childhood hero was a fraud :/"

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