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Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by jostmey »

judge2020 wrote: post #9
mattkevan wrote: post #5

After switching to DDG few years ago, I used google search again for the first time in a while was surprised How bad their search has become. Not because it’s not good, it’s still better than DDG at certain things, but because the results have been crowded out by so much junk. There were so many ads, snippets, did you also means, and AMP widgets that there was only room for about eight actual search results. How have…

Google realizes their biggest loss leader is directing customers off of their website to other websites, so the best way to turn a profit is to either keep users on the site (snippets, calculators[0], amp) or to send them to other sites for a price via ads. 0: https://goo.gl/search/right+rectangular+pyramid+calc:+find+A

Except that people will stop using google if it can’t help them find useful information. Google’s leadership seems to not understand or not care about how the internet works

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by est31 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7
deogeo wrote: post #2

I'm looking forward to antitrust action being taken against Google due to trying to lock publishers into AMP.

At this point, I suspect Google execs know it's inevitable, and figure the more lock-in they can build with standards now, before it happens, the harder it will be to meaningful strip Google's power.

What do you mean? The government has managed to break up any monopoly since: Think of Standard oil or Bell corp.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

#13

Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

I for the life of me don't understand how any Google AMP engineers can bother defending this anymore. A couple weeks ago there was an AMP article related to using real, source URLs, and a bunch of engineers from Google posted in defense.

This is absolutely Google trying to dictate what the web should be. If the US had functional antitrust authorities they would kill this.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

est31 wrote: post #12
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, I suspect Google execs know it's inevitable, and figure the more lock-in they can build with standards now, before it happens, the harder it will be to meaningful strip Google's power.

What do you mean? The government has managed to break up any monopoly since: Think of Standard oil or Bell corp.

Computers are magic though.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by mromanuk »

jostmey wrote: post #11
judge2020 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google realizes their biggest loss leader is directing customers off of their website to other websites, so the best way to turn a profit is to either keep users on the site (snippets, calculators[0], amp) or to send them to other sites for a price via ads. 0: https://goo.gl/search/right+rectangular+pyramid+calc:+find+A

Except that people will stop using google if it can’t help them find useful information. Google’s leadership seems to not understand or not care about how the internet works

It depends. Most people, only want the answer to the “question” they typed. And if that is answered in a widget, cloaking the original content, they don’t care. That’s what google realized.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by alexpetralia »

mattkevan wrote: post #5

After switching to DDG few years ago, I used google search again for the first time in a while was surprised How bad their search has become. Not because it’s not good, it’s still better than DDG at certain things, but because the results have been crowded out by so much junk. There were so many ads, snippets, did you also means, and AMP widgets that there was only room for about eight actual search results. How have…

Just switched thanks to this recommendation. DDG looks very clean and functional. Thank you

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by rblatz »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #13

I for the life of me don't understand how any Google AMP engineers can bother defending this anymore. A couple weeks ago there was an AMP article related to using real, source URLs, and a bunch of engineers from Google posted in defense. This is absolutely Google trying to dictate what the web should be. If the US had functional antitrust authorities they would kill this.

If anything got me to stop using google it would be amp, it’s such a trash experience. It makes me click multiple times and load the content multiple times before I can get to what I want.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by dmitriid »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #13

I for the life of me don't understand how any Google AMP engineers can bother defending this anymore. A couple weeks ago there was an AMP article related to using real, source URLs, and a bunch of engineers from Google posted in defense. This is absolutely Google trying to dictate what the web should be. If the US had functional antitrust authorities they would kill this.

> I for the life of me don't understand how any Google AMP engineers can bother defending this anymore.

The narrative is “we develop an open standard that is widely adopted, and we’re not responsible for what people do with it”.

The team lead, @cramforce will also tell you tgat AMP is good for tge web.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lioeters »

As much as I'm often dismayed by the negativity on HN (or, let's say, brutal honesty: "this product is shit!") - harsh reactions are definitely warranted for cases like this anti-competitive behavior. Let's keep raising the stink, I hope the powers that be are paying attention.

(Long-time DDG and Firefox user, doing my best to de-Google myself and my loved ones)

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by pixxel »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #13

I for the life of me don't understand how any Google AMP engineers can bother defending this anymore. A couple weeks ago there was an AMP article related to using real, source URLs, and a bunch of engineers from Google posted in defense. This is absolutely Google trying to dictate what the web should be. If the US had functional antitrust authorities they would kill this.

“I for the life of me don't understand how any Google AMP engineers can bother defending this anymore”

Got to justify that google pay check. Mostly to themselves, helps to do it out loud.

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