The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

First: Further, the project communities of the ASF, home to Apache Tomcat, Ant, Xerces, Geronimo, Velocity and nearly a 100 mainstay java components have implemented countless JSRs and serve on and contribute to many of the JCPs technical expert groups.

And then:

To that end, our representative has informed the JCP's Program Management Office of our resignation, effective immediately. As such, the ASF is removing all official representatives from any and all JSRs. In addition, we will refuse any renewal of our JCP membership and, of course, our EC position.

Holy crap! That just sounds like Java is really bleeding now. Anyone knows how significant the real impact of leaving representatives on the JSRs is?

Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

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Post by adamc » Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 7:10 PM UTC

Given the conclusion (that JCP is not an open specification process), I wonder whether they will move away from implementing JCP specs, and towards other technologies.

Huge loss for the JCP either way.

Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

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Post by mkross » Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 7:15 PM UTC

abp wrote: post #5

First: Further, the project communities of the ASF, home to Apache Tomcat, Ant, Xerces, Geronimo, Velocity and nearly a 100 mainstay java components have implemented countless JSRs and serve on and contribute to many of the JCPs technical expert groups. And then: To that end, our representative has informed the JCP's Program Management Office of our resignation, effective immediately. As such, the ASF is removing all…

Presumably the already late Java 7/8 will be further delayed.

Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

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Post by svag » Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

xentronium wrote: post #2

Is their blog down?

I have put the blog post in pastebin http://pastebin.com/gcsjzkKk if you cannot read it

Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

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Post by lapusta » Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

abp wrote: post #5

First: Further, the project communities of the ASF, home to Apache Tomcat, Ant, Xerces, Geronimo, Velocity and nearly a 100 mainstay java components have implemented countless JSRs and serve on and contribute to many of the JCPs technical expert groups. And then: To that end, our representative has informed the JCP's Program Management Office of our resignation, effective immediately. As such, the ASF is removing all…

Not really. JSRs have never been leading the innovation in Java world: Ant, Maven, Velocity, Spring, Hibernate, Grails, Hadoop, GWT, Android, Struts, Wicket, Eclipse - none of them started as a JSR.

The only JSR that matter is JavaSE and I don't see it having technical problems. JavaME is dying and Spring showed JavaEE how things should be done so they are catching up now.

Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

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Post by brown9-2 » Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 7:38 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #3

xentronium wrote: post #2

Is their blog down?

Yeah: "So much traffic/interest in the ASF leaving the JCP that blogs.apache.org is wonky. Oh yeah, it's Java. #JCPIsDead" http://twitter.com/#!/jimjag/status/12939142254034944

I had to do a bit of searching to figure this out, but that twitter quote is from the President of the ASF - interesting.