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IT Runs on Java 8

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Re: IT Runs on Java 8

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In the majority of companies it's simply not possible to operate on the bleeding edge the way HN articles would have you believe you should. Besides the obvious issues around the value of rewriting stable legacy systems on new platforms, there are also man power issues. You need tier 1 developers to live on the bleeding edge because any problem that comes up (and they will come up) largely requires you to solve it yo…

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Re: IT Runs on Java 8

#412

In the majority of companies it's simply not possible to operate on the bleeding edge the way HN articles would have you believe you should. Besides the obvious issues around the value of rewriting stable legacy systems on new platforms, there are also man power issues. You need tier 1 developers to live on the bleeding edge because any problem that comes up (and they will come up) largely requires you to solve it yo…

Good points here. Which is why HN is oriented toward startups with Tier 1 engineers. PG and his cofounders invented the web app, using a combination of old tech (lisp) and new (the internet). There are plenty of other forums and sites to read about conventional tech. HN is where I find the bleeding edge. 90% of it is just fascinating. But the other 10% offer tantalizing possibilities for making something novel, which…

Hacker News ranks at #959 in the US. It didn’t get that rank from just being geared toward startups with Tier 1 engineers.

Look on the front page right now and see how many stories are about startups. That didn’t change in the last five years. It’s always been about technology in general.

HN’s front page 10 years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2009-05-10

HN’s front page 5 years ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2014-05-10

Re: IT Runs on Java 8

#413
post #92

Fun story : i had to develop the same system for two different companies, one a startup with 3 employees (the founders) , the other a billion dollar business. Just a backend api & web interface, together with an iOS app displaying the content. I could use shiny new tech for the startup (which at the time was python on app engine and its nosql datastore, with a backbone.js framework), whereas the other one forced me t…

I don’t even like Java but I can tell you it had nothing to do with Java vs. the new and shiny.

Re: IT Runs on Java 8

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post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It the wording of the announcement (taking them in good faith) that applies to applications using .NET Framework. .NET Core should be 100% portable to Linux/Mac/wasm. .NET 5 should supersede both Core and Framework IIRC

I have been hearing announcements about how Microsoft was working to make .NET code portable ever since Mono was first started in 2001. In the years since, I've encountered many stories that attempted to make use of that portability. All failed. I've seen the promise of portability with other software stacks, and know how hard it is. I also know that taking software that was not written to be portable, and then makin…

I have been hearing announcements about how Microsoft was working to make .NET code portable ever since Mono was first started in 2001.

Microsoft didn’t have anything to do with Mono until 2016.

If you start from scratch with a greenfield .Net Core project there aren’t really any issues getting it to work cross platform.

Re: IT Runs on Java 8

#415

In the majority of companies it's simply not possible to operate on the bleeding edge the way HN articles would have you believe you should. Besides the obvious issues around the value of rewriting stable legacy systems on new platforms, there are also man power issues. You need tier 1 developers to live on the bleeding edge because any problem that comes up (and they will come up) largely requires you to solve it yo…

Really good points. IMO the web-surfing crowd's taste for news (as opposed to their capability when it comes to work) is deceiving. Their excitement for prospective high-leverage information creates a demand that biases community sites like HN and Reddit toward novelty, and the result is this massive FOMO loop: "Read it, remember to try it, forget to try it, aw damn a new thing already came out and it's better because X! Read it..." I love that the author of the article really speaks to this situation.

I have a relative who got really into this mindset. In fact he picked the "HN's Choice" software framework of the day for one of our co-creative projects a couple years ago. Mostly a fun project, but it could have gone somewhere, maybe. He got as far as setting it up so that we had some scaffolding, then basically he flamed out. I don't blame him at all; he'd never even used it before and expected himself to be able to just run with it. And this guy was a _master_ at a certain language starting with the letter P, but he was ashamed to use it. It made me so upset to see him feel all this pressure and then collapse.

Personally I feel that pressure myself sometimes but being aware of it helps a lot. As a hobby side project, I decided to go back and do some 1990s MS-DOS programming and experiencing this FOMO stuff was part of the motivation. I needed to be free to work deep instead of thinking broad, so to speak.

Re: IT Runs on Java 8

#417

In the majority of companies it's simply not possible to operate on the bleeding edge the way HN articles would have you believe you should. Besides the obvious issues around the value of rewriting stable legacy systems on new platforms, there are also man power issues. You need tier 1 developers to live on the bleeding edge because any problem that comes up (and they will come up) largely requires you to solve it yo…

Good points here. Which is why HN is oriented toward startups with Tier 1 engineers. PG and his cofounders invented the web app, using a combination of old tech (lisp) and new (the internet). There are plenty of other forums and sites to read about conventional tech. HN is where I find the bleeding edge. 90% of it is just fascinating. But the other 10% offer tantalizing possibilities for making something novel, which…

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Re: IT Runs on Java 8

#418
Hits home here. I started reading HN as a college freshman. At the time, a lot of the titles were gibberish to me. Over the next few years I sucked in articles and comments until I had (what I thought was) a pretty good mental model of the industry.

Well that model was... quite a bit off.

But the filter bubble has its merits. A little daily exposure to HN keeps the ideas churning when you're mostly doing mundane stuff.

Re: IT Runs on Java 8

#419

In the majority of companies it's simply not possible to operate on the bleeding edge the way HN articles would have you believe you should. Besides the obvious issues around the value of rewriting stable legacy systems on new platforms, there are also man power issues. You need tier 1 developers to live on the bleeding edge because any problem that comes up (and they will come up) largely requires you to solve it yo…

Good points here. Which is why HN is oriented toward startups with Tier 1 engineers. PG and his cofounders invented the web app, using a combination of old tech (lisp) and new (the internet). There are plenty of other forums and sites to read about conventional tech. HN is where I find the bleeding edge. 90% of it is just fascinating. But the other 10% offer tantalizing possibilities for making something novel, which…

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