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Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

kermitismyhero wrote: post #211
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #200

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> If a site promises to not use animated images, streaming video, streaming audio, any sort of trackers, any sort of third-party content, and if they keep the screen-real-estate ratio of ads to content relatively low, then I'll whitelist them in a heartbeat. I just don't think this is a workable model for most users. "You want me to do extra work so I can see some (admittedly nonintrusive) ads? No way, figure out you…

>I really wish uBlock Origin at least had the option to enable a blacklist model It effectively does have this capability. Just disable all the standard filter lists, and manually add one's own entries to the "my filters" section. This method has the added benefit of enabling other useful privacy features that don't directly relate to display advertising, like killing off the nastiness of hyperlink auditing, CSP repo…

Is this per the ad network / server, or per domain like the whitelist? I would have assumed the former, but if it works like the whitelist that's great!

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by avhon1 »

ilaksh wrote: post #227
ne01 wrote: post #212

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I'm so happy that duckduckgo.com is getting better and better over time. I tried to use it for a month 2 years ago and switched back to Google. Now it has been 3 months and I don't notice -- which is a very good thing!

Doesn't duckduckgo use Bing on the back end?

DuckDuckGo has their own crawler (DuckDuckBot), and they also serve modified results from other search engines (including Bing and Yandex).

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by irrational »

ne01 wrote: post #212
EastSmith wrote: post #195

Looks to me as an effort to make any user visiting google.com to not actually leave google.com FOREVER. Users will get portal-ed to a result page (with the browser's url bar showing foo.com, instead of google.com), but the user will be tracked the entire time from google, since they would be still on google.com.

I'm so happy that duckduckgo.com is getting better and better over time. I tried to use it for a month 2 years ago and switched back to Google. Now it has been 3 months and I don't notice -- which is a very good thing!

I've been using duckduckgo as my sole search engine for years. I've been totally satisfied with my results. In fact I've had other people mention how my googlefu is exceptional since I'm always finding stuff that they can't seem to find. It just occurred to me that maybe it's the search engine that I'm using instead of my search skills.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by FridgeSeal »

sixothree wrote: post #198
evv wrote: post #152

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Have you considered that it is already too late? Just look at Microsoft bending the knee to Chromium

I wonder if Chrome browser could survive if it was spun off from parent company.

Google wouldn't allow that, as that would remove one of their primary means of influencing things in their favour.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by [deleted] »

EastSmith wrote: post #195

Looks to me as an effort to make any user visiting google.com to not actually leave google.com FOREVER. Users will get portal-ed to a result page (with the browser's url bar showing foo.com, instead of google.com), but the user will be tracked the entire time from google, since they would be still on google.com.

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Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by throwaway2048 »

ehsankia wrote: post #225
tbirrell wrote: post #185

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If I go to foo.com, I generally expect that bar.com, baz.com, and qux.com are not also loading. We already have enough issues with tracking pixels, but now we'll have to worry about multiple sites worth of trackers (which I'm sure google will do their absolute best to obfuscate behind the background network call and other sandboxing shenanigans)? No thanks.

As you mention, foo.com could just as well have pixel trackers/scripts from bar.com, baz.com and qux.com. Nothing about portals makes it any more or less of an issue than it already is.

Its completely different because now baz.com gets control over foo.com in an invisible way just by virtue of "linking" with a portal.

(and you can be sure that anyone that dosen't allow google to "portal" their pages will be damnatio memoriae'd into oblivion on results pages)

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by ehsankia »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #237
ehsankia wrote: post #225

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As you mention, foo.com could just as well have pixel trackers/scripts from bar.com, baz.com and qux.com. Nothing about portals makes it any more or less of an issue than it already is.

Its completely different because now baz.com gets control over foo.com in an invisible way just by virtue of "linking" with a portal. (and you can be sure that anyone that dosen't allow google to "portal" their pages will be damnatio memoriae'd into oblivion on results pages)

baz.com doesn't take control over foo.com, and it's not invisible. You click on a link and the domain changes, it's as old as the internet itself. The only difference is that the new page will be embedded into the old one, instead of there being a clear cut transition.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by amingilani »

dual_basis wrote: post #201
EastSmith wrote: post #195

Looks to me as an effort to make any user visiting google.com to not actually leave google.com FOREVER. Users will get portal-ed to a result page (with the browser's url bar showing foo.com, instead of google.com), but the user will be tracked the entire time from google, since they would be still on google.com.

"Don't be evil" is now well in the rear view mirror.

How? I understand that you're expressing a sentiment, but why do you think it's relevant here?
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