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Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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It's true that I could be lacking imagination. Because to me the portal proposal reads like it's simply moving the implementation of Google's AMP carousel into the browser in order to solve the address-bar problem. Your suggested use cases aren't terribly convincing, I'm afraid. Zooming UIs are perfectly possible using existing web technology. It would be interesting to have a standard way to embed Twitter/Facebook-s…

Sorry about that, I didn't mean you have little imagination, but rather that any reading of a tech spec requires a bit of imagination. It doesn't seem all that unreasonable for a web page to show a preview if the window size is small enough. You could do that with a media query. And then when it goes full-screen, it would already be loaded and that would just be a resize. This would take cooperation from web sites.

No worries. I really was sincere with my original question of whether I was missing useful potential applications.

Building richer cross-site interactions into web standards and browser interfaces is an intriguing idea. A more dynamic model of hypertext, where the browser intelligently displays linked-to content. Even though portals are a highly limited version of that idea, Google has a high chance of getting them standardized and implemented by competing engines, so hopefully more useful applications can be found.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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“Google says portals allow users to navigate inside the content they are embedding --something that iframes do not allow for security reasons.”

I love how they gloss over the security issue here. This is the equivalent of “we made a new Ajax that can call from different domains.”

Reading through the article, I don’t see the security restriction addressed at all. I expect that this gets worked on when google submits this to the w3c to be made part of html.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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It's been a few years, but IIRC I had poor reception on the Google Campus with AT&T. Some spots with poor coverage by SJC too. Probably folks are just always on wifi.

One imagines that a hotbed of tech would have great cell coverage. However, it’s also a hotbed of NIMBYs and the sort of people who think cell phones give you cancer, making it hard to construct more cells.

What are you talking about? There are cell towers everywhere. The CA senate in 2017 voted to remove local rights to govern their placement. 5G is rolling out everywhere. 5g radio transmitters on streetlights broadcasting continuously next to children's bedrooms. There was once safety concern over cell towers' placement. That is no more. We made the transmitters more powerful, but now they're smaller. So they go everywhere. "NIMBYS" have no say in what happens. It doesn't matter whether people think "cell phones give you cancer". The FCC doesn't care about anyone's safety. And people come on the internet rallying against some straw man they invented to showcase how silly it is to be concerned about the health effects of new technology.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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If you're connected to a VPN, install pi-hole on that network and use it as dns. If not, just get blokada from f-droid. It uses 1-3% energy over the day on my phone, but saves around 15% by filtering ads

Or just switch to Firefox on Android and use uBlock Origin or similar.

Firefox on my phone crashes ALL the time. I can't load 3 web pages without it crashing. Is Android doing this on purpose? I just cannot get firefox mobile to work, sadly.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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The recent extension-disabling problem made me realize how awful the unfiltered web is. Trying to use mobile Chrome for the first time ever was a dreadful experience. I legitimately had no idea that mobile Chrome doesn't have any extension capability whatsoever. I always assumed it was a Firefox-style unified experience where the same desktop extensions worked on mobile. I was horrified to discover otherwise. Ads ads…

I don’t use an Adblocker due to ethical concerns. (Not trying to convince you to do the same, just explaining.) It’s, uh, really not that bad. I rarely notice banner ads and the like. If a particular site gets really egrigious, I leave the site. I suspect that after using Adblock for years, your brain has forgotten how to ignore them.

My brain shouldn't have to ignore them, though; that's what technology's for :)

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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The recent extension-disabling problem made me realize how awful the unfiltered web is. Trying to use mobile Chrome for the first time ever was a dreadful experience. I legitimately had no idea that mobile Chrome doesn't have any extension capability whatsoever. I always assumed it was a Firefox-style unified experience where the same desktop extensions worked on mobile. I was horrified to discover otherwise. Ads ads…

I don’t use an Adblocker due to ethical concerns. (Not trying to convince you to do the same, just explaining.) It’s, uh, really not that bad. I rarely notice banner ads and the like. If a particular site gets really egrigious, I leave the site. I suspect that after using Adblock for years, your brain has forgotten how to ignore them.

I've had a similar experience as the GP, and I find it awful that autoplay videos will follow you around the page, pop-up modals will interrupt you in the middle of reading something, and ads will take up 40% or more of the page, loading between paragraphs while reading. It's hugely distracting to me.

We could make the same argument: you've spend years without adblock, and they have worn you down to the point where you accept active mental blocking of highly distracting ads. And even then you say sometimes it's bad enough for you to leave the site.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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I would be surprised if Google would allow to "link" to their page by putting it in a portal tag.

Just like they don't allow putting their pages in iframes:

https://jsfiddle.net/yea0jvxL/

But I would not be surprised if they put all search results in portal links and therefore keep all users on their site.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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If you're connected to a VPN, install pi-hole on that network and use it as dns. If not, just get blokada from f-droid. It uses 1-3% energy over the day on my phone, but saves around 15% by filtering ads

This is why Google is pushing DNS-over-HTTPS into Chrome, so that DNS-based ad blocking will no longer work.

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