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Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by amiga-workbench »

Touche wrote: post #101
ccnafr wrote: post #75

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No, you're right. Portal is effectively iframe without all the security protections.

I don't understand the cynicism people have for this idea. All they did was say "wouldn't it be cool if you could have nice animations in between pages" and built a proof-of-concept. It's not a finished product. They aren't forcing it into a standard. It's a demo of something that would be cool. So why the heck are people opposed to that?

IE5 has proprietary page transition animations, works pretty nicely actually.

https://people.apache.org/~jim/NewArchitect/webrevu/1998/12_...

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by jakeogh »

lqet wrote: post #15

Can someone explain to me the innovation here, besides some page-transition eye-candy? > Furthermore, portals can also overwrite the main URL address bar, meaning they are useful as a navigation system Isn't this already possible with iframes and target="_top" / target="_parent"? You can also use the -Tag inside the iframe. > The advantage over using Portals over classic links is that the content inside portals can b…

Furthermore, portals can also overwrite the main URL address bar

hahahaha. O goog you are so transparent.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by [deleted] »

rahuldottech wrote: post #57

> portals can be pre-loaded while the user scrolls through a page Let's be real here. This can already be done though "prefetch" and "preload" [0]. This is just Google introducing more pointless tech that will make webpages clunkier for no good reason. Honestly, I can't think of a single purpose this serves that isn't already fulfilled by existing web tech. [0]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49491193/how-can-i-…

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Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by bzbarsky »

Touche wrote: post #111
vernie wrote: post #105

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Well you certainly can't raise a stink after it's in the standard.

My point is, portal isn't "an iframe without all the security protections." portal is a demo of animating between pages. What it becomes from there is completely flexible.

Things are not "flexible" once they have been shipped on by default, typically. Changing behavior or removing at that point becomes very hard, requiring usage measurements, etc.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by r3bl »

giobox wrote: post #48
y4mi wrote: post #30

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If you're connected to a VPN, install pi-hole on that network and use it as dns. If not, just get blokada from f-droid. It uses 1-3% energy over the day on my phone, but saves around 15% by filtering ads

It’s a real shame you still can’t install a third party content blocker easily in the default browser on Android. Setup a VPN and PiHole for sure works, but my goodness what a lot of effort when simpler approaches exist, even on Safari on iOS... I’m aware other browsers exist that can do this, but this basically forces me to use a different browser on my phone versus my desktop. Such is the reality of using an OS mad…

I know it sounds complicated, but it's a one-step process that only increases to pay off the more devices are connected.

I used to have four adblockers on my laptop (two operating systems x 2 browsers), one on my smartphone, one on an additional smartphone I use... and how do I stop my TV and my ebook reader from serving me ads?

Pi-hole requires little to no maintenance, and offers a lot of benefit. Two people have purchased their first Raspberry Pis after I've slipped in "oh and BTW, no ads will load while you're connected to this network" after giving them a WiFi password.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #96
mysterydip wrote: post #81

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Isn't this why we have the W3C, so standards don't get made unless multiple people benefit? This seems like Microsoft with IE6 all over again.

No, the purpose of the W3C is to make sure we don't end up with multiple slightly different, mutually incompatible variations of the same thing. It's not meant to be a gatekeeper for new features. That said, Portals _are_ going through the normal W3C process for experimental features via the Web Incubator Community Group: https://wicg.github.io/portals/

Wait, how many different local data storage standards are there again? I keep forgetting which ones are deprecated by which browsers.

W3C is a joke. The modern web is, like the old web, run by the dominant browser vendor. Calling it an open standard is just marketing.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by pkaye »

giobox wrote: post #48
y4mi wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're connected to a VPN, install pi-hole on that network and use it as dns. If not, just get blokada from f-droid. It uses 1-3% energy over the day on my phone, but saves around 15% by filtering ads

It’s a real shame you still can’t install a third party content blocker easily in the default browser on Android. Setup a VPN and PiHole for sure works, but my goodness what a lot of effort when simpler approaches exist, even on Safari on iOS... I’m aware other browsers exist that can do this, but this basically forces me to use a different browser on my phone versus my desktop. Such is the reality of using an OS mad…

Why not install another browser on Android like Firefox? You can even change the system default.

Re: Google launches new “portal” HTML element

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Post by JoshMnem »

asadlionpk wrote: post #114
JoshMnem wrote: post #104

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Flutter looks like the junk food of programming. It looks like you get a choice between McDonald's (Google / Material Design) or Burger King (Apple). People are giving up long-term technology freedom for short-term, beginner's convenience.

People said the same about JavaScript. Probably C too. Easier development = more developers.

Flutter is restrictive in ways that JavaScript isn't.
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