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True, but java carries a lot of legacy.
Wow I'm getting voted down. I guess I should reverse what I said because it's obviously not true at all. Java carries zero legacy.
Personally, I voted you down because your opinion was stated in a sort of offhanded manner that does not do the subject justice.
It's a bit disturbing how much people in this industry are focused on tooling. It's a biproduct IMO of working on boring problems or supporting morally ambiguous corps. That thing that you need to keep yourself busy and keep going in the rat race.
Probably one of the most true things I have ever read on this site.
HN is about the interesting parts of tech, pushing at the edges. Yet the vast majority of developers are developing vanilla IT processes in shops where they want it to be the most benign, easily transferable solution possible. The differential between the two isn't surprising or particularly interesting. It's an obvious outcome.
And in ten years the stuff that people talked about on HN become the normal stuff at those IT shops, and HN will be onto something else. And on your "legacy" shops you'll be using frameworks that incorporated the best of those ShinyNewThings. Or do people really think the Java ecosystem today (or the .NET ecosystem, etc) hasn't changed over that time.
And that's okay. It's okay to wait until it matured. What isn't okay is that it's usually coached in derisive, defensive terminology that denigrates whatever is "Trendy". That part isn't cool
The funny thing is that from a purely technological point of view, Java (even the 5-year-old Java 8 and certainly recent versions) is far ahead of most other stuff hyped on HN (as well as less hyped stuff). Virtually no other platform comes close to that combination of state-of-the-art optimizing compilers, state-of-the-art GCs, and low-overhead in-production profiling/monitoring/management. And much of the cutting-e…
Sure for core Java (OpenJDK), but what the future of JEE licensing and development? Even non-"enterprise" apps typically make use of some JEE stuff like servlets and JDBC. Is it really the "safe" choice when, apparently, the trademark agreements have just fallen apart?
https://headcrashing.wordpress.com/2019/05/03/negotiations-f...
The HN front page is similar to any community. For example, a car site's homepage will be listing the latest supercars, expensive turbos, rims, whatever... while most readers are driving a $30,000 Civic. The best & brightest in tech are working with the best tools on the biggest problems, and that's what gets talked about, regardless of what the mass is doing.
Are we just going to ignore the idea of paying $30k for a Civic? I hope noone is doing that.
The funny thing is that from a purely technological point of view, Java (even the 5-year-old Java 8 and certainly recent versions) is far ahead of most other stuff hyped on HN (as well as less hyped stuff). Virtually no other platform comes close to that combination of state-of-the-art optimizing compilers, state-of-the-art GCs, and low-overhead in-production profiling/monitoring/management. And much of the cutting-e…
Despite its title, the article was not about Java 8.
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This. Technically there is nothing I don't like about JVM right now, everything that seems impossible 15 years ago is now solved. AOT used to be bag of hurt with GCJ ( I know I could use Excelsior, not sure if it was free in my time though ), but now even that will be an supported option from Graal. Java the languages still isn't pretty, but it has been much improved. OpenJDK is GPL and apart form the trademark ( ? )…
> I am just a little uneasy with Oracle lurking around, I just don't know what they are going to do next. What do you mean by "lurking"? Oracle is the company developing OpenJDK, and it will continue to do so. All our projects are done in the open, with lots of communication.
So, I don't use a language unless it's open with patent grants and has a non-malicious owner. At this point, Wirth's stuff is probably legally the safest.
It's a bit disturbing how much people in this industry are focused on tooling. It's a biproduct IMO of working on boring problems or supporting morally ambiguous corps. That thing that you need to keep yourself busy and keep going in the rat race.
That strikes me as such an odd critique, and I can't make it work for any other industry; you certainly wouldn't apply it to something like dentistry, or oil refinery, or plumbing.
If I went in for a root canal and the dentist said "We're gonna kick it old school today, sniff this rag of ether, I'm bored with all these tools!" I would grab the nearest scalpel and slowly back away. But yeah, if you're working on boring problems the tools won't do much to mask it.