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Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by ChuckMcM »

justincormack wrote: post #26
ChuckMcM wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you consider ancillary information like, IBM owns Redhat and hates Oracle, and Oracle has decided to extract money for anything Java + Enterprise, and UBI is targeted for Enterprise customers. When you consider that you realize that adding a Java UBI image would just set them up for a fight with Oracle and delay their ability to get moving with UBI.

IBM does not yet own RedHat, the deal will close in another couple of months. IBM cannot influence anything RedHat does yet.

I actually see this as another reason to stay below the 'lawsuit radar.' A quick search doesn't seem to turn up anything that looks like a showstopper for the acquisition so presumably while it isn't "done" it is likely to complete, would you agree?

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by soneil »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #17
zokier wrote: post #3

It is bit surprising that they do not offer Java UBI image, considering that RH is one of the biggest Java vendors. Instead they are offering dotnet images of all things.

Unless you consider ancillary information like, IBM owns Redhat and hates Oracle, and Oracle has decided to extract money for anything Java + Enterprise, and UBI is targeted for Enterprise customers. When you consider that you realize that adding a Java UBI image would just set them up for a fight with Oracle and delay their ability to get moving with UBI.

If you consider news like https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/leadership-op...

.. it doesn't seem they're hugely afraid of openjdk

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by pjmlp »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #17
zokier wrote: post #3

It is bit surprising that they do not offer Java UBI image, considering that RH is one of the biggest Java vendors. Instead they are offering dotnet images of all things.

Unless you consider ancillary information like, IBM owns Redhat and hates Oracle, and Oracle has decided to extract money for anything Java + Enterprise, and UBI is targeted for Enterprise customers. When you consider that you realize that adding a Java UBI image would just set them up for a fight with Oracle and delay their ability to get moving with UBI.

Ah, I understand that former Sun employees have a sword to fight with Oracle, but no one else, besides a timid IBM offer, was that interested into buying Sun assets.

Additionally IBM, Red-Hat and Oracle, collaborate on OpenJDK development and are the few set of companies that actually contribute new language features, with Oracle still having like 90% of contributions.

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by kbenson »

fatherlinnux wrote: post #23
kbenson wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably because Red Hat is a business and is trying to make money. You only get updates if you have a subscription. If you aren't a subscriber, these images probably aren't what you want. Get the CentOS equivalents instead. If CentOS doesn't meet your needs but RHEL would, I can only think that you should be a paying customer then.

You get updates with UBI, free of charge.

Thanks for the info, that's good to know. I was speaking form ignorance on that point, obviously (since I was wrong). The point still stands though, Red Hat needs to make money, so we shouldn't expect them to eliminate all their options for monetizing something (which I assume you agree with given your other comments :) )

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by fatherlinnux »

kbenson wrote: post #34
fatherlinnux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get updates with UBI, free of charge.

Thanks for the info, that's good to know. I was speaking form ignorance on that point, obviously (since I was wrong). The point still stands though, Red Hat needs to make money, so we shouldn't expect them to eliminate all their options for monetizing something (which I assume you agree with given your other comments :) )

I do :-)

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by jacques_chester »

KillerDiller wrote: post #2

What a sham. Very few packages are available in the yum repos from the UBI unless one is a RH customer. This will be a nonstarter unless anyone can install any package from the RHEL collection by default.

But isn't that the point? This is intended for RHEL users who previously had trouble shipping Docker images based on RHEL that Red Hat would provide support for. Not so much for non-RHEL users.

It will also be attractive for ISVs who want to partner with Red Hat.

Disclosure: I work for Pivotal, we compete with Red Hat in a number of areas.

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by fatherlinnux »

Poiesis wrote: post #30

What are the differences between this and the previous rhel and rhel-minimal images? Distribution terms (and some subset of packages with different licensing) only? That's no small thing, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something.

That's pretty much dead on.

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by jmtd »

zokier wrote: post #3

It is bit surprising that they do not offer Java UBI image, considering that RH is one of the biggest Java vendors. Instead they are offering dotnet images of all things.

openjdk 11 rhel8 image for openshift shipped yesterday

Re: Red Hat Universal Base Image

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Post by bmaupin »

zokier wrote: post #3

It is bit surprising that they do not offer Java UBI image, considering that RH is one of the biggest Java vendors. Instead they are offering dotnet images of all things.

Java is available for installation from the base UBI image:

  $ docker run --rm registry.access.redhat.com/ubi8/ubi yum search openjdk
  java-11-openjdk.x86_64 : OpenJDK Runtime Environment 11
  java-1.8.0-openjdk.x86_64 : OpenJDK Runtime Environment 8
  java-11-openjdk-devel.x86_64 : OpenJDK Development Environment 11
  java-1.8.0-openjdk-devel.x86_64 : OpenJDK Development Environment 8
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