I mean, Java 8, that's great! From an enterprise point of view it was released basically yesterday. I'm sure a large minority of systems still runs on Java 5 or 6.
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#22> This piece of the puzzle is the one that worries me the most. What I’m worried about is that places like Hacker News, r/programming, the tech press, and conferences expose us to a number of tech-forward biases about our industry that are overenthusiastic about the promises of new technology without talking about tradeoffs.
That's because these are marketing websites, meant to show off the newest and shiniest things, with an agenda. We like them because by our nature we like new and shiny things, but their content isn't representative of real life, like at all.
> That the loudest voices get the most credibility, and, that, as a result, we are listening to complicated set-ups and overengineering systems of distributed networking and queues and serverless and microservices and machine learning platforms that our companies don’t need, and that most other developers that pick up our work can’t relate to, or can even work with.
This is also part of human nature and my experience in the tech world confirms to me that the loudest voices are usually somewhere in the top of the bell curve of correctness or usefulness. Make friends with people who are working on real products every day and stay grounded in reality by talking to them, like knives that sharpen each other. The less they want to talk about tech or share their opinions, the more likely they are to have sane, reasonable and useful ones.
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#23HN is an early adopter community. If you want technical community, there are places like https://www.reddit.com/r/systems/ . Edit: Disclaimer: I am one of moderators and this is a blatant advertisement.
Speak for yourself, man. Lots of proud dinosaurs here, when it comes to deployed production systems.
Or even new ones. I’ve been given js+mongo apps by partners that I had to modify to use standard postgres before becoming responsible for herding them in prod.
Not everyone chases the hype cycle.
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#24I'm right now writing code for integration with one information system using SOAP Web Service with digital signatures. Good old Java 8, wsimport, etc. Nothing wrong about it, it gets job done. I'm still reluctant to throw away XML from my Spring projects, I don't like their new approach with annotations and XML works better for me.
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#25Dunno what hole she is in but Excel, Sharepoint are all things that new age companies don't work on & rather is the tool of choice for all things by legacy ones still chugging along.
"Legacy ones" as in almost all companies. The fact is that the economy, in large part, runs on Excel.
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#26Dunno what hole she is in but Excel, Sharepoint are all things that new age companies don't work on & rather is the tool of choice for all things by legacy ones still chugging along.
yep, they run whatever version of Confluence was released 4 years ago
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#27Dunno what hole she is in but Excel, Sharepoint are all things that new age companies don't work on & rather is the tool of choice for all things by legacy ones still chugging along.
You may be very surprised how much very serious stuff runs in and is still being written on top of Excel. Trading models dealing with tens of millions of dollars a day for example.
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#29At work, we have some customers who want to use WebLogic and Websphere, and last time I checked those don't have versions that support anything beyond Java 8.
I still use Java 8 even on personal projects. I'm migrating those to Kotlin, so I'm at least not held back with regard to programming language features. I could upgrade those to Java 11 (or 12), just haven't prioritized taking the time to do that over other tasks, and the benefit would be minimal for these particular projects.
When using Java 8 language, I'm just happy to have lambdas and streams. Java 8 was the biggest improvement to Java language since 5 -- and I'd say it's a bigger leap that 5 was.
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#30I mean, Java 8, that's great! From an enterprise point of view it was released basically yesterday. I'm sure a large minority of systems still runs on Java 5 or 6.
There's very little reason not to upgrade to Java 8. Generally things just work. With Java 11 generally things just break, so it's completely another matter. I think that Java 8/11 will repeat Python 2/3 story.