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Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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This article was a surprisingly difficult read. It felt like every other word was a brand name, and the underlying confusing naming scheme surely didn't help. On top of that the author flip-flops between the issues of Nest going away (loss of privacy, and product ecosystem) while excited about Nest functionality moving to Google Home (Google Nest?). I think the main takeaway for me is that it'll probably be another d…

Of course, a decade is optimistic. You could have felt the same way and written the same thing a decade ago.

It's possible that there will never be any stability in the smart home ecosystem, and constantly buying and throwing away electronic junk is simply the norm.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Curious, does anyone have a good manual thermostat that they like? Part of the reason Nest has done so well is most programmable thermostats are horrible to use. I'm a product designer and I don't understand how the scheduling works. Scheduling isn't something I really need for my studio. At night I turn the AC on, in the morning I turn it off. Don't really need to turn on the heat in the winter. I'd love is a qualit…

I've been happy with my Carrier Cor thermostat. It's certainly not beautiful, but it is simple and functional. You can program min/max temperatures and start/end times for 4 parts of the day (morning, day, evening, and night). You can temporarily override the schedule, and you can set vacation temperatures.

https://www.carrier.com/residential/en/us/products/thermosta...

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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This is why I would never invest too much into Smart Home. While my phone may be expected to last for a few years only, I don't want my house deprecated because of a takeover/bankruptcy of a company.

Or end up like people investing in “smart homes” in the 90s. Remember when built in intercom systems in the home were considered advanced? http://mentalfloss.com/article/510559/what-smart-home-techno...

And how about my long unused (over 35 years!) but still working 1967 (built when my house was constructed) central vacuum?

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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This is why I would never invest too much into Smart Home. While my phone may be expected to last for a few years only, I don't want my house deprecated because of a takeover/bankruptcy of a company.

I definitely would invest into Smart Home, but only if I can control it 100% from the server in my basement without the appliance having any internet access at all. All my IoT devices are in a wifi without any internet access.

Tor Hidden Services provide fairly secure access to your IoT things over the Internet: https://github.com/n8fr8/talks/blob/master/onion_things/Inte...

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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I kind of like how Google is moving all the home related products to the Nest brand. We always talk about Google branding being the worst but I think this is actually a logical move to one brand for everything Home. I also like that I'll be able to use my google login for my Nest products in the future, and the author even agrees that the Nest app is not great and the Google Home app is what I currently use anyway fo…

Yes, I agree. The brand consolidation is long overdue, as are any meaningful updates and fixes to the Nest app. Those are two definite positives of this move.

Moving to Google Accounts is more murky: I can definitely see and sympathize with arguments on the basis of Google's overall business model and how it seems off for an ad company to be creating products for the home. With that said, Nest accounts (like the app) are woeful and only support the weakest of 2FA methods. (And in fact, I had that break for me on their desktop site -- enter the 2FA, then infinite loading.)

And the definite downside everyone seems to agree on is that killing Works with Nest (especially on a, IMO, short timeframe) shatters the trust placed in that ecosystem. Clickbait comments are focusing on the short-term which is going to be messy and involve a lot of people ditching Nest, but (whether I agree with it or not) I don't see APIs which give direct device access like Works with Nest even being a thing in the future.

In a world where the WSJ is sounding the alarm at people adding benign add-ons to Gmail by their own hand, not to mention people blaming Nest for their own weak passwords, it may be that even basic security principles need to be re-examined and in a way "dumbed down." An example of this dumbing down is removing the ability to turn the recording light off moving forward.[1]

"Dumbing down" is a negative term, but I'm trying to apply it as neutrally as possible. It makes sense to Google to remove that ability, since any blowback would fall on them. I'm honestly surprised we haven't yet seen the headline "Google's Nest Cam recorded me even though it looked turned off," when the real story there would be an ex-SO or roommate opted to turn the light off and start recording.

1. https://www.techradar.com/news/exclusive-googles-security-ca...

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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> Google's smart home strategy will now revolve around only the "Works with Google Assistant" program This arguably makes more sense anyway, and I think it opens up some interesting possibilities that might not have been possible while Nest was a standalone entity.

Works With Nest means arbitrary third parties having API access to a Nest device. Any person could make a dev account and start logging data, sending commands, etc.

Works With Google Assistant means Google (and in this case, only Google, given the WwN sunset) having API access to whatever device, in this case a Nest device.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Smart people don't buy smart home devices.

My relatively poor grandparents and my slightly less poor parents had a hard working life, but none of them had to sleep in a dark cold room because the switch to turn the lights on or the heating stopped working. Ever. This problem has been solved by other people many many years ago.

Last month I watched a documentary where a billionaire was showing of his multi million mansion and when he wanted to show the camera team his 100k home cinema room they couldn't see anything because his smart lighting system was stuck in an update loop and nobody had a clue how to fix it. In the interview he said it's not a big deal because he doesn't like to have the lights on when watching a movie anyway. L.O.L.

If I had a 100k cinema room then it would be certainly be a big deal to me if I can't even see where the heck I'm walking.

In my entire life I never thought "damn, how nice would it be if I could turn on the lights in my bedroom from downstairs on my phone". It's just not a problem which I think people have, but somehow the consumer industry has convinced so many fools to buy cheaply fabricated, badly secured, even worse programmed and often not long supported smart home devices which add absolutely no benefit to anyone's everyday life and cause lots of problems.

By the time I find my phone lying around in my lounge, unlock it through Face ID or finger touch, open up the home app, find the home device which I want to control, then make whatever change I wanted to do I am much faster to just get my arse up from the couch, walk over and turn it on/off with a normal hand movement. On the way I can also grab a beer from the fridge and then continue watching the telly and laugh about some fools who spent 100k on a home cinema without lights.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely would invest into Smart Home, but only if I can control it 100% from the server in my basement without the appliance having any internet access at all. All my IoT devices are in a wifi without any internet access.

I'm mainly going for Z-Wave plus, using Home Assistant as controller for now (though still evaluating that). My A/C is on Wifi though, and the cloudy controller web page is using a REST API (undocumented but simple enough to sniff and fake), so that's the only outlier so far.

I'm doing this as well. Z-Wave+ and a Raspberry Pi for the hub for my first automation device, an RGBW LED strip for my home office lighting.

Even if I wanted to pay a subscription fee to some external service for my hub, the risk of service disruption, hacking of my network, and/or misappropriation of my personal data are just too high.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has cancelled plenty of things, it's just much better at erasing history and pretending those things never existed than the other companies.

I suppose that’s why instead of showing examples you are making broad sweeping claims?

Two examples are the Airport line of products and the iPods. While the iPod Touch is still made, nothing else is. That said, they still have received recent software updates, and I personally find Apple products more palatable than anything Google or Amazon.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Curious, does anyone have a good manual thermostat that they like? Part of the reason Nest has done so well is most programmable thermostats are horrible to use. I'm a product designer and I don't understand how the scheduling works. Scheduling isn't something I really need for my studio. At night I turn the AC on, in the morning I turn it off. Don't really need to turn on the heat in the winter. I'd love is a qualit…

I believe older 87s had the metal shell. I know mine does, and it also has a vial of mercury inside. Wouldn't be suprised if it's older than I am, but it works perfectly though and I have no desire to change it. My downstairs thermostat is a digital programmable one (also honeywell). I've only lived in this place for a year, but it seemed to work fine and simply enough for programming schedules and temperatures. I only use either for heating, we don't use AC in the summer.

I've seen digital ones fail over time, and this one will too. It's always a matter of "when", not "if"; but, if the cost is low enough, that may not be a big deal (assuming it doesn't cause a fire on the way out).

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