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The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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(First, this article is not about individual attention span: it's about an increase in volume of content and the consequently dwindling amount of time the collective public has to dwell on a given piece of published content.) Anyway, this brings to mind one good thing about Hacker News: while breaking stories make it to the front page, so does older content worthy of discussion. We need more people to care about cura…

>good thing about Hacker News: while breaking stories make it to the front page, so does older content worthy of discussion.

Yea, I also trust a democracy of people to highlight what's important or interesting more than corporate news. Or at least, as a complement to it.

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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I think it's telling that those in tech, including billionaire execs like Jobs, were/are very sensitive to the usage of tech devices by their kids. Addiction to games, news, apps, entertainment is real, but that's only half the issue. It fosters this itch where we can't linger on uncomfortable thoughts without instinctively grabbing our phone to be distracted. This include when we're trying to really go deep on a sub…

Was Jobs really, though? I thought he was a nearly completely absent father?

Round 1 yeah, round 2 was “normal”

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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post #11
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha why?

In case this is a serious question and not a joke (unclear which it is) then he may be saying that older movies and shows had these longer intros that seemed normal at the time, but if you watch them again now they seem long and boring now. So that is one to show how your attention span has become shorter

Or movie trailers, like the French Connection

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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post #19
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https://humanetech.com/ Attention economy unintentionally promotes "human downgrading" Great opportunity to innovate on apps and services that promotes reversal of human downgrading.

Is this sarcasm? Else... The answer is less apps and device time. Even having an app to help with 'human downgrading' takes up brainspace and a lingering attachment to the screen and devices. Though I suppose since screentime/devices aren't going away any time soon might as well try to mitigate it a bit.

I believe it very sincere. This page is quite helpful in particular, good tips but I especially like the list of apps at the bottom: https://humanetech.com/resources/take-control/

In particular I think the Freedom app is pretty unique in that you can setup web and app blocklists and it is synced between devices when you have it setup on all of them. So you can set a focus time of 4 hours for example and the apps and sites (and entire categories of sites if you wish) you specified will be blocked on all devices, Windows, Mac, iOS, Android. Surely there are plenty of apps that do similar things but I think the integration of multiple devices is pretty killer as you don't need to manage each one.

The InboxWhenReady and Distraction-Free YouTube extensions I think are really useful too.

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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So, another day, another crappy analysis.

First, time in the top 50 tags is shorter in 2016 than 2013. Ok, but what increase in volume of tweets was there? How many more tags? If you have 1M tags vs 10M with a fixed top N (where N=50) and even though N is relatively small in comparison to the tool so we're talking real outliers, I think you'll find that absent any other differences time in the top 50 will decrease.

Second, why are we talking about "attention" with Twitter as our basis for comparison? The very nature of the platform is people saying shallow but catchy things who like the sound of their own voice finding an echo chamber to assert their personal identities by RTing said tweet. In what world was or is Twitter a forum for any kind of attention let alone debate?

Third, catchy phrases in books. Um... there is a long lead time between writing a book, having it published and getting it in the hands of people. Now you can get a tweet out to 100M people in several seconds.

Holding people accountable. Ok, good, something worth talking about. If we've learned nothing from the Trump presidency it's this: there's only so much outrage you can hold on to and every day there's another story about lying, some scandal, fanning the flames of racists who have never gotten over losing the ability to own people, etc and one story just drowns out the previous one. I'm honestly not sure how you deal with this problem but it's a big one.

As for seeking journalism with more background research and quality, it's been tried. People don't want it and, more importantly, they're not willing to pay for it. You also have media conglomerates who pose as "journalists" who are anything but. Like, oh I don't know, anything owned by a Murdoch.

The conclusion seems shallow. I'll just leave it at that.

I actually see this as a fundamental problem of human nature. Humans are inherently... tribal. We naturally stick to people like ourselves, culturally and even physically. That sense of belonging is a key part of social structure. Dan Carlin talks about this in his Hardcore History series on WWI (a 6 part series--30+ hours of content--called A Blueprint for Armageddon which is totally worth listening to) when he talks about the Armenian genocide. His point is that pretty much everyone is guilty of genocide in history. Not that that excuses it but we shouldn't make out that any particular example is an exception or something that we ourselves (or, rather, our ancestors) weren't guilty of.

What happened in Europe after the Renaissance was the idea formed of nation states. While this might've been loosely associated with some tribal identity, in time it transcended it and it resulted in a number of revolutions deposing an old order that was typically a monarchy: French, American, Russian to name 3.

Because this is what many of us grew up with I think we consider this normal but I question this assumption. It seems like it's more of an exception than the norm. Many say the US is increasingly polarized and there's a clash of cultures. While I won't disagree with that, maybe this is simply the people reverting to a more natural state of tribal loyalty. It seems like it's easy to fan these flames as many opportunists have and will.

So perhaps it's better to say that social media makes it easier for people to live in bubbles that affirm their own world views. And I think Twitter is largely irrelevant in all this.

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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post #13

I think it's telling that those in tech, including billionaire execs like Jobs, were/are very sensitive to the usage of tech devices by their kids. Addiction to games, news, apps, entertainment is real, but that's only half the issue. It fosters this itch where we can't linger on uncomfortable thoughts without instinctively grabbing our phone to be distracted. This include when we're trying to really go deep on a sub…

Was Jobs really, though? I thought he was a nearly completely absent father?

I thought he was a nearly completely absent father?

Not according to his neighbour [1].

[1] https://patch.com/california/paloalto/my-neighbor-steve-jobs

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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post #19
post #9

https://humanetech.com/ Attention economy unintentionally promotes "human downgrading" Great opportunity to innovate on apps and services that promotes reversal of human downgrading.

Is this sarcasm? Else... The answer is less apps and device time. Even having an app to help with 'human downgrading' takes up brainspace and a lingering attachment to the screen and devices. Though I suppose since screentime/devices aren't going away any time soon might as well try to mitigate it a bit.

I spent some time on their website and found humanetech's strategy to be well thought out. They aren't promoting an app, but rather a "combination of thought leadership, pressure, and inspiration to create market demand and momentum for products and services based on Humane Technology principles".

Sitting back and doing nothing or promoting just using less technology doesn't really address the runaway train that many feel they are on. If they are able to actually effect any of the 1000 or so people who are positioned to make changes to these products, then it may make a dent.

https://humanetech.com/problem/#the-way-forward

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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post #13

I think it's telling that those in tech, including billionaire execs like Jobs, were/are very sensitive to the usage of tech devices by their kids. Addiction to games, news, apps, entertainment is real, but that's only half the issue. It fosters this itch where we can't linger on uncomfortable thoughts without instinctively grabbing our phone to be distracted. This include when we're trying to really go deep on a sub…

Remember too that many billionaires are control freaks. Them policing their children's screen time may just be part of larger control regime. Lots of rich people, going back to most every king/queen in history, have been what we would today call overprotective parents. Tech royalty isn't any different.

Re: The Global Attention Span Is Getting Shorter

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the intro to Twin Peaks... https://youtu.be/i7d0Lm_31BE

I believe Twin Peaks' intro is actually the longest in TV history. It's a real whopper.

I agree that the intro is kind of nutty in how long it is, I also think it’s a great part of the show. It really got me “ready to watch” and brought me out of whatever else was going on and into... Twin Peaks.

That being said, I only first watched the show in the last few years, early 30s. Would almost certainly driven me crazy earlier in life.

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