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Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

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Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

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I like the essay but it fails to realize the goal posts are not fixed on the field. General purpose computing is alive and well and cheaper than ever, you can build the equivalent of a PC/AT for about $50 in parts.

What Cory misses is that when we were building CP/M machines and IBM PC clones, there already was a big pile of computers that were locked down so that somebody else could make money off of you using them. I went to school at a time when you were allocated a fixed number of kilocoreseconds (kilowords of core you could occupy on the big computer charged on a per second rate) and I had my kit Z80 system and felt very superior.

Computers got more powerful and now the one that was sold to you has the more than the capabilities than the one where it was already proven you could extract value for using it, so people continue to extract that value. And when their extraction is sidestepped, they work with computer makers and software makers to regain the upper hand. The goal posts moved.

What has also happened is that the backbone of what used to be the "personal computer" market was people who were more fascinated with the computers themselves than with the software they might run on them. The manufacturers worked to appeal to the tool users, the architects, engineers, and others who understood the value of computation for their job and so they were willing to invest for the right tools. There are a lot more of those people then nerds who like computers. The goal posts moved.

Today's "computer" market is not really about computers, its about a platform for consuming digital products. Whether it is entertainment, or navigation, or gaming. That you could run a compiler on that thing and make new programs that it could run is nearly incidental (and certainly insignificant) to the market who buys it. The goal posts moved.

We have reached the point where general purpose computers are these $35 and $50 things for people interested in computers and for no one else. Even when people try to push them that way.

I don't believe there is an assault on general purpose computers, what is happening is that thing you called a computer before is what back in the day we called a TV and a telephone and a radio and a record player, except all in one package that runs all day in your pocket. It has a computer in it but it isn't a computer in the original sense of general purpose computing. There are lots of general purpose computers, and there are now FPGAs that are easily loaded with general purpose computation. You just can't run gcc on your TV.

Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

#32

You'll take my general purpose computer from my cold dead hands!

Or maybe they'll slowly replace it, while you lie dying in bed unaware as to the problem.

Slowly replaced over the course of 10,000 4-hour software updates.

Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they'll slowly replace it, while you lie dying in bed unaware as to the problem.

Apple is already doing this. They've recently required that ALL software run on Mac is signed by them, even apps from outside of the App Store. https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=04102019a Not much longer until we can't run software Apple doesn't like at all. Because I shouldn't get a say in what I run on my four thousand dollar computer, of course.

Right click bundle icon, click `Open', follow instructions (such as they are). It's been like this for years.

You might have to tick the 'App Store and identified developers' option in the General section of the Security & Privacy preference pane? - but my recollection is that if you don't, you just need to right click a bit more often...

I was a mite concerned when they introduced this stuff, but the net effect has been minimal, and I've (so far?) found no reason to disable it.

Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

#34

When AI gets smart enough to do bad things there will definitely be a lockdown. What happens when you can program your robot to commit crimes for you? You won't be able to load certain types of programs by law. They are already doing this with geofencing for drones.

What on earth are viruses, botnets, worms, algo trading, etc?

Computers partaking in actions with consequences has been going on for ages already...

Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

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DNS is a fundemental component of the internet. Currently, computers trust their upstream DNS servers to resolve correctly. Imagine if tpb resolves incorrectly on some networks. People on those networks may choose to use a different DNS server that resolves TPB correctly, but maybe has a grudge against Google and resolves an IP for Yahoo instead. Other DNS servers may have other grudges, or policies, or political pre…

> Imagine if tpb resolves incorrectly on some networks. It already does. DNS can’t be totally trusted now. Arguably it’s already broken.

Agreed. I can't see DNS not being redesigned at some point in the future. I really hope it will end up decentralized, but it could go either way.

Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

#36

I like the essay but it fails to realize the goal posts are not fixed on the field. General purpose computing is alive and well and cheaper than ever, you can build the equivalent of a PC/AT for about $50 in parts. What Cory misses is that when we were building CP/M machines and IBM PC clones, there already was a big pile of computers that were locked down so that somebody else could make money off of you using them.…

> You just can't run gcc on your TV.

I'd be interested in speaking with anyone who has tried. =]

But moreover, I think your point about the goal posts is apt given "the goal" is to have "cheap GPC" since the definition of cheap changes (in dollars adjusted for time) but the definition of GPC also changes. And so, you might say we're even moving them in (at least) two dimensions.

Re: Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing (2011)

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is already doing this. They've recently required that ALL software run on Mac is signed by them, even apps from outside of the App Store. https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=04102019a Not much longer until we can't run software Apple doesn't like at all. Because I shouldn't get a say in what I run on my four thousand dollar computer, of course.

Right click bundle icon, click `Open', follow instructions (such as they are). It's been like this for years. You might have to tick the 'App Store and identified developers' option in the General section of the Security & Privacy preference pane? - but my recollection is that if you don't, you just need to right click a bit more often... I was a mite concerned when they introduced this stuff, but the net effect has…

And people complain that desktop Linux is arcane and full of obscure configurations
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