Epic Games is killing Linux support for games and software it acquired • Hacker News Board

Re: Epic Games is killing Linux support for games and software it acquired

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Post by bgorman » Thu, May 09, 2019, 3:59 PM UTC

Sir_Substance wrote: post #40

nudq wrote: post #21

Nontechnical speculation: Just a power struggle with Valve. Mostly technical speculation: The horrible binary compatibility story of Linux userland. Socio-technical speculation because everything is now multiplayer: Less effective DRM on Linux means more cheaters ruining the game for others, in the worst case losing more players than Linux adds.

>Mostly technical speculation: The horrible binary compatibility story of Linux userland. This has been effectively solved by three different tools. Take your pick from: * Appimages * Snaps * Flatpaks Naturally they all have their own upsides and downsides, but if the only thing holding you back from shipping to linux is concerns about fiddling with shared libraries, just pick one at random and move on. I suggest app…

Not to mention Steam ships its own runtime on Linux, and developers can just statically link anything else that they need.

Re: Epic Games is killing Linux support for games and software it acquired

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Post by _m7bj » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #109

likeclockwork wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So. Your old (2011), low tier, graphics hardware doesn't work on Linux because AMD scrapped their old terrible driver and abandoned it in their new driver? The company you bought your APU from dropped support for you, what has that to do with Linux? How is that not just another case of another company dropping support for Linux on a product after they already have your money? (Pennies on the dollar, I think you calle…

Yet the Windows driver is still supported, go figure.

Well, actually, about that...

You never did give your graphics card model number, but according to this[1] page the Brazos platform had two codename variants for laptops and notebooks: Ontario and Zacate. Hondo and Desna were exclusively for tablets. There were no variants for desktops.

According to this page[2] that puts your card somewhere in the Radion HD 6xxx or HD7xxx driver set, and the only references to Ontario are the Radeon HD 6290 and the Radeon HD 7340.

If you go to the AMD drivers download page[3] you'll discover that both of these cards have dropped off the bottom of the list of supported cards in their respective driver categories.

Now hey, maybe your card is a slightly newer model and it's still in that download list. I don't know, since I don't know your exact card model. But my 10 seconds of research says that actually it's probably not supported any more. If I'm wrong about that then you're pretty god damn close to the cliff edge at this point.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Accelerated_Processing_Uni... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_6000_Series [3] https://www.amd.com/en/support

Re: Epic Games is killing Linux support for games and software it acquired

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Post by KingMachiavelli » Thu, May 09, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

scjosh wrote: post #110

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #19

While I don't normally make too big of an issue when games lack Linux support, Epic games seems openly hostile to the platform as seen by removing support where it already exists. I have invested the time in setting up a Windows VM w/ PCI passthrough in order to play some games with friends. So I am not a hardline free software user or unwilling to use Windows for playing games. But when a distributor and developer i…

Would you mind sharing your VM setup with PCI passthrough? I had looked into this previouly, but guides I saw seemed to only let you pass it through depending on settings at boot of the host OS. From what I understand, this means that if I wanted to pass the GPU through to the VM, I would lose it in the host OS until I reboot again. Does your setup let you hotswap it w/o a reboot?

Yes, my current setup does allow hotswapping the GPU from the host and guest. It does require using the integrated or some other GPU to run your X11 server and then using primusrun when you want to use the dedicated GPU on the host. I'm using a rather old GTX 760 so I'm not sure if there are any limitations with newer nvidia cards.

My kernel line is (I disable the spectr/meltdown mitigations so ignore those parts):

  root=/dev/mapper/ssd-arch--root rw intel_iommu=on iommu=pt i915.enable_guc=3 i915.disable_power_well=0 i915.enable_psr=1 i915.enable_fbc=1 i915.enable_rc6=1 pci=nomsi,noaer pti=off spectre_v2=off l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier

The XML for the VM I configured in virt-manager can be found here:

http://dpaste.com/2HQM8D1

I don't think has any significant modifications. Eventually I want to switch over to using the newer q35 architecture. The only issues I've had with the VM are some audio glitches in some games and it has recently had issues with hugepages so I've had to disable that.

Re: Epic Games is killing Linux support for games and software it acquired

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Post by zamalek » Fri, May 10, 2019, 1:31 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #87

zamalek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than 1% if the market will react with hostility due to this. Gamers are a hornet's nest when it comes to anti-consumer practices.

Gamers are quite used to game consoles exclusives.

Epic store is not a console app.

Re: Epic Games is killing Linux support for games and software it acquired

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Post by scjosh » Fri, May 10, 2019, 2:17 AM UTC

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #113

scjosh wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind sharing your VM setup with PCI passthrough? I had looked into this previouly, but guides I saw seemed to only let you pass it through depending on settings at boot of the host OS. From what I understand, this means that if I wanted to pass the GPU through to the VM, I would lose it in the host OS until I reboot again. Does your setup let you hotswap it w/o a reboot?

Yes, my current setup does allow hotswapping the GPU from the host and guest. It does require using the integrated or some other GPU to run your X11 server and then using primusrun when you want to use the dedicated GPU on the host. I'm using a rather old GTX 760 so I'm not sure if there are any limitations with newer nvidia cards. My kernel line is (I disable the spectr/meltdown mitigations so ignore those parts): r…

This is awesome, thank you so much!