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Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by codebolt » Thu, May 09, 2019, 4:32 PM UTC

tinix wrote: post #59

mensetmanusman wrote: post #44

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Shrooms are very different. Brain chemistry almost impossible to predict ~ you may think you have a good set and setting, and then get permanently damaged. Who knew!

Permanently damaged? Got a source that shows, empirically, you're more likely to be permanently damaged from taking psilocybin than while commuting to work, jogging, swimming, or doing any other normal life activity? Sure, I'm not going to argue with you that some people shouldn't be doing these things alone. Shit, I would even argue that someone experienced actually should probably be around to assist and guide. Sha…

> Got a source that shows, empirically, you're more likely to be permanently damaged from taking psilocybin than while commuting to work, jogging, swimming, or doing any other normal life activity?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9875725

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by gatherhunterer » Thu, May 09, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

0xdeadb00f wrote: post #97

gatherhunterer wrote: post #53

This is atrocious web design. Not only is all of the content covered by an ad and a pop-up but when I tried to scroll I was redirected to opening an email by a still-loading pop-up.

Not that it helps you much, but on mobile it's much better.

I am viewing on mobile.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by anigbrowl » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #73

anigbrowl wrote: post #33

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The far right has been a real blight on humanity in recent decades.

Why just recently? Isn’t the far-right responsible for atrocities like the holocaust and the crusades? In fact any unchecked source of power is a potential source of mass misery.

Just meaning that it's as much of a contemporary as a historic problem.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by burfog » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

crispinb wrote: post #105

burfog wrote: post #88

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Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. He was born there. I don't know if you recognize dual citizenship, but if you do then it seems he is still Australian. His son James Murdoch is eligible to have Australian citizenship. Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party.…

> Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, He gave up his Australian citizenship to further his US business interests. He is widely considered to be an enemy of the nation. I regret my 'foreigner' cheap shot though. It's irrelevant, even a tad xenophobic. > Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party. Fox News! The fact that Murdoch ma…

If you're going to apply the adjective "far" to Fox News, then you'll also need to apply it to the New York Times. According to Pew Research, that is more to the left than Fox is to the right.

I think "far" should be reserved for Slate, Breitbart, NPR, New Yorker, Glenn Beck Program, Daily Show, Sean Hannity Show, Colbert Report, Rush Limbaugh Show, Daily Kos, TheBlaze, Mother Jones.

ABC is near the center. Here is a chart centered on that, and you can pick others by clicking on the dots below:

https://www.journalism.org/interactives/media-polarization/o...

BTW, now that I think of it, Americans have a stronger case that a foreigner is running their news. By some measures, an Australian is running the largest news source. The change of citizenship is just a business tactic to enable that.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by davesque » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:40 PM UTC

turk73 wrote: post #116

I quit visiting Colorado. Every resort I went to everyone was high and the service was lousy. People who are high all the time don't even understand how stupid they look and how poor of a job they're doing. Legal or not, there is a huge problem with druggies in Colorado. Notably, we visited a chain restaurant and all the stone employees weren't clearing the tables. It was disgusting and we left. Places like that won'…

Well, I've lived in Colorado my whole life and I didn't notice any change at all in the average person's behavior after pot was legalized. And I'm not really biased either. I voted against the marijuana legalization measure (something I now regret doing).

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by leoh » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:25 PM UTC

codebolt wrote: post #131

tinix wrote: post #59

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Permanently damaged? Got a source that shows, empirically, you're more likely to be permanently damaged from taking psilocybin than while commuting to work, jogging, swimming, or doing any other normal life activity? Sure, I'm not going to argue with you that some people shouldn't be doing these things alone. Shit, I would even argue that someone experienced actually should probably be around to assist and guide. Sha…

> Got a source that shows, empirically, you're more likely to be permanently damaged from taking psilocybin than while commuting to work, jogging, swimming, or doing any other normal life activity? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9875725

This paper merely suggests that a drug used for treating schizophrenia can inhibit some aspects of the experiences that individuals have on psylocibin. The paper does not suggest long term damage and if it did, the study would have been terminated early and psylocibin would not be acceptable for continued research in Switzerland (where the study was conducted) or in the US.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by andai » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

yellowapple wrote: post #63

darawk wrote: post #57

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Huh? Decriminalization would be the state declaring that possessing Psilocybin is not illegal under state law. Directing law enforcement to de-prioritize it is not the same thing.

> Decriminalization would be the state declaring that possessing Psilocybin is not illegal under state law No, that'd be outright legalization. "Decriminalization" would be instructing law enforcement to not ever enforce a law - stronger than deprioritizing, but weaker than legalizing. It could also include not explicitly criminalizing or legalizing something (that is: Denver could simply not mention psychedelic mush…

What's the difference between ignoring a law and deleting it?

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by yellowapple » Thu, May 09, 2019, 7:05 PM UTC

andai wrote: post #137

yellowapple wrote: post #63

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> Decriminalization would be the state declaring that possessing Psilocybin is not illegal under state law No, that'd be outright legalization. "Decriminalization" would be instructing law enforcement to not ever enforce a law - stronger than deprioritizing, but weaker than legalizing. It could also include not explicitly criminalizing or legalizing something (that is: Denver could simply not mention psychedelic mush…

What's the difference between ignoring a law and deleting it?

A city can't delete a federal law. A city can tell its police department(s) to ignore a federal law (in the sense that it's physically and logically possible, not in the sense of it actually being legal; I'm not sure if the federal government has the power to compel local police forces to enforce federal laws).

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by DrSiemer » Thu, May 09, 2019, 9:01 PM UTC

Fnoord wrote: post #108

willsr wrote: post #91

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Depends on where you get the Psilocybin from. Search "Magic Truffles"

True, although those are technically not psilocybin mushrooms. Also, AFAIK the fly agaric (amanita muscaria) is still legal. It is also very clearly references in all kind of folklore (including religions).

Amanita Muscaria does not contain psilocybin and will make you very sick before making you fly. Interesting side note: in eastern Siberia only the shamans were allowed to eat these mushrooms. Other members of the tribe would drink his urine.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by Fnoord » Thu, May 09, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

DrSiemer wrote: post #139

Fnoord wrote: post #108

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True, although those are technically not psilocybin mushrooms. Also, AFAIK the fly agaric (amanita muscaria) is still legal. It is also very clearly references in all kind of folklore (including religions).

Amanita Muscaria does not contain psilocybin and will make you very sick before making you fly. Interesting side note: in eastern Siberia only the shamans were allowed to eat these mushrooms. Other members of the tribe would drink his urine.

> Amanita Muscaria does not contain psilocybin

I never said it does.

> will make you very sick before making you fly.

I've used a.muscaria twice, from a reputable source (no self plucking). It never made me sick. It is perfectly safe to use. It did make me pee a lot, and my pee stank. Back when I bought it, it was legal to buy the powder in The Netherlands. I don't know about the legal state as it is.