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Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by milansuk » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

simlevesque wrote: post #2

The article claims that AV1 works since FF 65 but the examples do not work on FF 66.

I'm running Chromium 73 on Debian 9 and AV1 examples also don't work.

edit: I've downloaded first example[1] and video player won't play it neither.

edit2: Firefox 66 works!

[1] https://www.singhkays.com/blog/its-time-replace-gifs-with-av...

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by BlackLotus89 » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

tetrisgm wrote: post #3

I'd love to AV1 to become the standard, but as far as I've seen, it's just not implemented anywhere, and the spec wasn't 100% final. I was messing with ffmpeg a couple months ago, and it didn't look like a straightforward option to convert either. I'd say it's not quite time we replace GIFs with it.

It's implemented nearly everywhere (firefox, ffmpeg, edge, chrome, opera, vlc,...) and the spec is 100% final. Problem is that (and now the everywhere gets weak) android didn't implement it yet (afaik) and some packaged versions of the software haven't got it enabled or are just out of date.

What we can get from the article thought is: why isn't gif replaced by webm/vp9 yet? Can be encoded in no time and is actually supported everywhere.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by sp332 » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

simlevesque wrote: post #2

The article claims that AV1 works since FF 65 but the examples do not work on FF 66.

64-bit Windows users only, according to the release notes. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/65.0/releasenotes/

Edit: as ataylor pointed out, Mac support was added in 66.0 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/66.0/releasenotes/

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by degenerate » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #6

Why no h265? I suspect it's similar to VP9 in quality, but h264 is pretty old at this point (nowhere near as old as GIFs of course).

I believe the big issue with h265 was the huge licensing cost to bundle the decoder in the browser.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by ataylor32 » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

simlevesque wrote: post #2

The article claims that AV1 works since FF 65 but the examples do not work on FF 66.

Are you on Linux? https://caniuse.com/#feat=av1 says that FF 66 has it enabled by default only for Windows and macOS users.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #4

simlevesque wrote: post #2

The article claims that AV1 works since FF 65 but the examples do not work on FF 66.

Can also confirm does not work on firefox 66 for me; chromium does work though.

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Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by matthberg » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

simlevesque wrote: post #2

The article claims that AV1 works since FF 65 but the examples do not work on FF 66.

Odd, it's working for me:

Firefox 66.0.5 (64-bit)

on Windows 10

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by nightfly » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

Calling AV1 something that looks almost exactly like AVI seems like a mistake...

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by EliRivers » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:59 PM UTC

GIFs take up a massive amount of space (often multiple megabytes!) and if you’re a web developer, then that’s completely against your ethos!

Judging by most websites I comes across, this must be referring to some other universe.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Post by antirez » Thu, May 09, 2019, 7:00 PM UTC

GIFs are still here because people make art with it, in some form. This is how we got still GIFs around, not because we needed to transfer videos. The idea of replacing everything based on technical superiority is extremely shortsighted. We need more humanists in computing.