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Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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Fantastic. I wonder if all these very public proclamations are going to shift people's attitude towards taxes? Most people think of the government as wasteful, inefficient, incompetent, and corrupt to more or less degrees, and I know I'd prefer to see money allocated by smart people like Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg than by politicians who need to keep constituents happy and win votes. I committed a while back to giving…

Don't you mean "Great Ormond Street children's hospitals" ? You gave money to them but don't even remember their name properly?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

#112

Fantastic. I wonder if all these very public proclamations are going to shift people's attitude towards taxes? Most people think of the government as wasteful, inefficient, incompetent, and corrupt to more or less degrees, and I know I'd prefer to see money allocated by smart people like Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg than by politicians who need to keep constituents happy and win votes. I committed a while back to giving…

all the benefits delivered to mankind by the efforts of the innovators hasn't stopped the demonization of the rich. giving away what they've been paid to deliver those benefits probably won't either.

Probably because "rich" and "innovators" isn't really the same thing, and there was even less overlap in the past.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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After someone asked Warren Buffet why he wanted to give away all of his fortune, he replied: "I want to leave enough money to my children that they can do anything, but no so much that they will do nothing".

The British entrepreneur and investor Peter Jones also worried about that problem and decided to double any money his children earned for themselves.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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No, not a fair question. What does this even mean? If you really think you know anything at all about how Bill Gates should spend his time and money, feel free to go ahead and actually say what you think he should be spending it on, instead of mouthing platitudes about "bigger ideas" and "investing in himself."

I don't know how he should spend his time, nor do I claim to. Personally, I'd like to see him start a company that would invent a mobile phone battery that lasts for a month and can power an RC aircraft to fly all the way around the world. I also worry about the overall risklessness of what he's doing. He's pledged all of his money, so who can criticize it? For most people it's beyond reproach just because of the sta…

Personally, I'd like to see him start a company that would invent a mobile phone battery that lasts for a month and can power an RC aircraft to fly all the way around the world.

Instead of, say, eradicating malaria? You're kidding, right?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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I think of this as sort of a cop out (on the part of all the people who do it). If you're good at business, then you can have a far bigger impact by creating businesses than by simply giving your money to some charity. It's ultimately a socially lauded thing to do that divorces the donor from any ultimate responsibility for the amount of "greater good" done with the funds. I think they do it out of fear that they wer…

Bill Gates, as much as any other person you can probably name, got the entire developed world using personal computers. That was literally Microsoft's mission statement: a computer on every desk and in every home. You expect him to make a new business that'll outdo that ? Trying to eradicate malaria in Africa isn't enough for you?

I think personal computers were going to spread anyway, Microsoft won the war for which OS they ran. Basically the spread of computers was going happen through natural market forces anyway, regardless of Microsoft.

Eradicating malaria is not something that is going to solve it's self, so it's a much bigger challenge.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not a fair question. What does this even mean? If you really think you know anything at all about how Bill Gates should spend his time and money, feel free to go ahead and actually say what you think he should be spending it on, instead of mouthing platitudes about "bigger ideas" and "investing in himself."

I don't know how he should spend his time, nor do I claim to. Personally, I'd like to see him start a company that would invent a mobile phone battery that lasts for a month and can power an RC aircraft to fly all the way around the world. I also worry about the overall risklessness of what he's doing. He's pledged all of his money, so who can criticize it? For most people it's beyond reproach just because of the sta…

The merit of an action is not determined by its risk of looking stupid. Not in either direction.

When doing something not-risky is bad, the reason is usually that it isn't ambitious enough: that you've avoided doing something that could have been better because you were afraid of failing. But the total eradication of malaria is not an unambitious, can't-possibly-fail undertaking: it's a huge task, it's not obvious that it can be done, and it would bring enormous benefit to the world. If it's immune to criticism, then as you suggest it's because it looks like a noble and generous thing to do. In other words, the lack of criticism isn't an indicator of lack of ambition, of aiming too low.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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I find it a really shameful comment. It seems like unbelievably wishful thinking to claim that high-tech startups are the most important thing everyone should be doing when the going rate for saving lives from tuberculosis or malaria is in the hundreds of dollars per (e.g. http://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities ). I'd like to hear why that is not real value. No doubt most First World businesses produce techn…

Without the concept of hightech startups, most of the people we are discussing would never have their fortunes to give away.

Just as well no one's proposing to do away with the concept of hightech startups, then.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

all the benefits delivered to mankind by the efforts of the innovators hasn't stopped the demonization of the rich. giving away what they've been paid to deliver those benefits probably won't either.

Probably because "rich" and "innovators" isn't really the same thing, and there was even less overlap in the past.

well, I prefer people be demonized for their crimes, not for what they have.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune

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There is at least one billionare who is thinking different:

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_16792615

That's a story about the eight philanthropies Thiel is funding, which are much more oriented along the lines of "give a man the plans for a new fishing machine" than traditional philanthropy.

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