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Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

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Post by pokinoi »

muppetman wrote: post #20
geedee77 wrote: post #14

To be perfectly honest, the actions of the 'anonymous' are pretty disgusting and it's bullying. A company provides a useful service to the majority of the on-line world and, just because they do something to protect themselves and their identity (there's a lot of people who dislike wikileaks) then this 'collective' decide to disrupt the whole company. Bullying was pathetic in high school and is so much worse in the '…

You don't think that Paypal is also a bully as well? Closing people's accounts (not just Wikileaks) when they see fit, having no real recourse to try and get your money once that's happened etc. Paypal have a reputation for being a bunch of thieves. I can't say I feel bad for them. I've never been burned by them, I'm just going from the amount of people here that post a regular "Paypal froze my account" story.

Well, that's why we have courts to settle disputes in a civil manner.

Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

#42

Post by petercooper »

CamperBob wrote: post #10
ThePinion wrote: post #4

Shutting down the Visa and Mastercard probably didn't change too much, but this for sure will. Think of how much eBay is dependent on PayPal for purchases. This should be an interesting outcome! Even if people don't feel it's morally right, I'm still very impressed by the current "cyber wars" going on. Either way, I don't lose anything. I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to watch the world burn...

There isn't going to be any burning. What's going to happen is that banks and CC companies will proactively scrub their client lists for anything that looks even vaguely controversial, and hose it before it blows up in their faces. After this, the banks will be afraid of Anonymous, and they will do whatever it takes to stay off their radar... including turning down a lot of legitimate business. "Politically unconvent…

That's happened with mortgages after the clamping down on banks in the UK. The bailed out banks can't charge interest rates as high as they'd like, so they turn down a lot of less than perfect business. End result is it's harder than ever for normal folk and less reputable banks with far higher charges have stepped in to plug the gap. Idealistic humans never learn anything about economics over time..

Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

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Post by xd »

geedee77 wrote: post #33
muppetman wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think that Paypal is also a bully as well? Closing people's accounts (not just Wikileaks) when they see fit, having no real recourse to try and get your money once that's happened etc. Paypal have a reputation for being a bunch of thieves. I can't say I feel bad for them. I've never been burned by them, I'm just going from the amount of people here that post a regular "Paypal froze my account" story.

I'm not saying they aren't but when has the tactic against a bully being to bully them? Regardless of what you think about Paypal themselves, there are an awful lot of people that rely on the service they provide that can now no longer use that service due to the tactics of Anonymous.

Maybe this raises a serious question. Why are so many people (including myself) reliant on one company for handling their payments? Maybe traders should start adding alternative forms of payment to their excepted payments. I know I will.

Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

#45

Post by aerique »

CamperBob wrote: post #10
ThePinion wrote: post #4

Shutting down the Visa and Mastercard probably didn't change too much, but this for sure will. Think of how much eBay is dependent on PayPal for purchases. This should be an interesting outcome! Even if people don't feel it's morally right, I'm still very impressed by the current "cyber wars" going on. Either way, I don't lose anything. I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to watch the world burn...

There isn't going to be any burning. What's going to happen is that banks and CC companies will proactively scrub their client lists for anything that looks even vaguely controversial, and hose it before it blows up in their faces. After this, the banks will be afraid of Anonymous, and they will do whatever it takes to stay off their radar... including turning down a lot of legitimate business. "Politically unconvent…

Or they could just have not closed down Wikileaks' accounts in an attempt to brown-nose the US government. If they had resisted and only closed down the accounts after court orders the reaction would have been quite different.

I'm frankly appalled at how many people here are actually defending MasterCard, Visa and PayPal. As if money and shareholder interests are all that matters.

There are also examples of companies that don't hand over their clients' information without court orders or give in to political pressure (for example XS4ALL here in the Netherlands) and you know: they are actually appreciated for it and very successful!

Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

#46

Post by alkavan »

reminds me the year 2000, yahoo.com and Mafiaboy. 10 years passed since, i see nothing has been changed, and this time i guess it's not ./smurf, better, it's the LOIC! so even people who don't know what a packet is can use it to harm corp.

this application also looks more like a game, a one that will cost lots of money. totally agree someone should take IT security more seriously.

Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

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Post by pokinoi »

aerique wrote: post #45
CamperBob wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't going to be any burning. What's going to happen is that banks and CC companies will proactively scrub their client lists for anything that looks even vaguely controversial, and hose it before it blows up in their faces. After this, the banks will be afraid of Anonymous, and they will do whatever it takes to stay off their radar... including turning down a lot of legitimate business. "Politically unconvent…

Or they could just have not closed down Wikileaks' accounts in an attempt to brown-nose the US government. If they had resisted and only closed down the accounts after court orders the reaction would have been quite different. I'm frankly appalled at how many people here are actually defending MasterCard, Visa and PayPal. As if money and shareholder interests are all that matters. There are also examples of companies…

"MasterCard, Visa and PayPal. As if money and shareholder interests are all that matters."

There are millions of jobs and people who depend on these companies everyday. It's not just about money and shareholder interests.

Re: Paypal.com appears to be unavailable

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Post by aerique »

pokinoi wrote: post #47
aerique wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they could just have not closed down Wikileaks' accounts in an attempt to brown-nose the US government. If they had resisted and only closed down the accounts after court orders the reaction would have been quite different. I'm frankly appalled at how many people here are actually defending MasterCard, Visa and PayPal. As if money and shareholder interests are all that matters. There are also examples of companies…

"MasterCard, Visa and PayPal. As if money and shareholder interests are all that matters." There are millions of jobs and people who depend on these companies everyday. It's not just about money and shareholder interests.

I don't understand your point. If they hadn't disabled Wikileaks' accounts these jobs and people would have suffered how exactly?
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