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Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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It’s time to outlaw stalking-based business models. If you just break up Facebook but don’t outlaw the underlying scummy business model something else will just take its place.

People are waking up to the importance of privacy. If FB had competing social networks, consumer choice would matter. As it is, we have false choices like FB vs. IG.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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post #68

I have trouble understanding why we should break up Facebook but not google. Is it because we think google is less evil than Facebook?

Google hasn’t committed the same evils Facebook has. They’ve been smarter about handling personal data in the west, and their platforms haven’t been used to attack democracy. In Asia their platforms haven’t been used to help countries commit genocide. I mean, you could make the case for breaking up google for monopoly reasons, but google has mostly just done business the way amazon or Microsoft has. And unlike Facebo…

Is that really true about Asia considering that google was secretly working on a conformist search engine for Asia? Again, I think this is complicated.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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post #64

"Mark Zuckerberg is a good guy. But his company is a threat to our economy and democracy." "Mark is a good, kind person. But I’m angry that his focus on growth led him to sacrifice security and civility for clicks." I always find it difficult to take an argument seriously when someone is defined simply as "good". It glosses over a lot of things, like what motivates a person and how we define "good". For example, if w…

I'd be ok with calling Zuckerberg a good person if anything he has ever done has indicated he's honest or open to serious change. But he's not. The pattern is pretty clear.

Ever since the Beacon fiasco he's been saying that privacy is important and that he's going to take it seriously and make changes, while every action he and those around him take moves blatantly in the opposite direction.

He's been lying every time. Year after year, over and over again, just lying straight to our face. It's not innocent, it's not naive, he's not dumb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Beacon

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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I have trouble understanding why we should break up Facebook but not google. Is it because we think google is less evil than Facebook?

Facebook won't have much of an impact on the 2020 election imo.

Users are already Leaving.

I don't see why we can't let FAANG grow big and fail like every other company.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

#75

It’s time to outlaw stalking-based business models. If you just break up Facebook but don’t outlaw the underlying scummy business model something else will just take its place.

I don't think it's possible to outlaw what Facebook does without unforeseen consequences. Facebook is fast-food for the mind. You know it's bad for you, you know you shouldn't do it, you know there are healthier alternatives, the fact that corporations profit off of making people fat and sick is outrageous, but you can't very well outlaw the concept of beef in a bun.

> but you can't very well outlaw the concept of beef in a bun

Well you can. Lots of things have been successfully restricted in the past, in lots of places. It doesn't have to give rise to the mob, illegal smuggling or iniquitous burger dens that so often is the American experience of outlawing things.

Or you can just tax it until lettuce becomes appealing.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google hasn’t committed the same evils Facebook has. They’ve been smarter about handling personal data in the west, and their platforms haven’t been used to attack democracy. In Asia their platforms haven’t been used to help countries commit genocide. I mean, you could make the case for breaking up google for monopoly reasons, but google has mostly just done business the way amazon or Microsoft has. And unlike Facebo…

Is that really true about Asia considering that google was secretly working on a conformist search engine for Asia? Again, I think this is complicated.

I think google is guilty of a lot of things in Asia, but it’s not like windows in China is like windows in Denmark either.

I haven’t heard about google products being used to organise genocides though, but Facebook has.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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I disagree. But I'm not on any, nor use any, of Facebook's services. "It's Time to Break Up with Facebook" is a better title. > We already have the tools we need to check the domination of Facebook. We just seem to have forgotten about them. That evokes different ideas with me and I'm sure it does for many users of this site. We have the tools and capability to employ them to make alternatives. We're so focused on th…

You may not be on Facebook but you can bet your friends or family have shared your contact info with them. And even if that exposure is limited, you can bet they’ve got a shadow profile of you.

Facebook’s shadow profile of me does not even begin to hold a candle to Google’s shadow profile of me.

And Google has been monetizing that profile for a lot longer than Facebook has.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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post #17

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I'm against direct democracy because I don't have the expertise or the time to make informed decisions about everything my government is currently doing for me. Direct democracy will likely devolve into a reign of demagogues imho.

The Swiss might have something to say on this, living in one of the most stable and prosperous countries in the world which happens to be governed under something resembling direct democracy.

The Swiss system is still pretty far from no parties, no president/pm, no cabinet ministers.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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> You are not forced to be software developer. Do you really not see the problem with suggesting people switch careers every time an overbearing corporation starts exerting excessive control over their industry?

Except that’s not what’s happened in the anecdote above, at all.

Facebook provides services that people want to use, like Login, or that provides real value better than the competitors (Marketplace).

Complaining that you “have” to use Marketplace because things sell faster on it is totally bizarre.

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