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Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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“If we don’t have public servants shaping these policies, corporations will.” I fear that in the current environment where money largely drives politics that corporations will just shift from directly making policy to funding the politicians who will do-so on their behalf.

This step of removal at least theoretically hands power back to the people, though, as people can vote out corrupt politicians, but can't vote out Zuck.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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“If we don’t have public servants shaping these policies, corporations will.” I fear that in the current environment where money largely drives politics that corporations will just shift from directly making policy to funding the politicians who will do-so on their behalf.

It's a vicious cycle inherent in capitalism. Companies with a substantial amount of capital have the power to exercise decision-making about where to invest, what to invest in, how many jobs and what kinds of jobs to create or reduce. In order to avoid any economic meltdowns, politicians are doing their best to sustain the system and stimulate growth simply by balancing the interests of wealthy people, disregarding the interests of the wider population.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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“Chris Hughes, a co-founder of Facebook, says the company is so big and powerful that it threatens our democracy.” considering how flawed democracies are, i say let democracy die. adopt democracy 2.0 (no parties, no president/pm, no cabinet ministers, elected speaker, continuous citizen participation) and that’s that.

Adopt democracy 3.11 where large private organizations are also subject to democratic rule

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone famous once said "democracy is the worst system apart from all the others". You can keep your "democracy 2.0" I'd rather see Facebook forced to follow the spirit and rule of law.

i don’t understand this attitude. we know that democracy is flawed and the best answer is “we’ll keep it flawed”? think how software evolves. now think how democracy stagnates. i know humans are extremely conservative by nature, but this is just absurd.

Stagnates?

Name one country where the democracy system in place is stagnating, and why.

And then in these cases, why/how less democracy would improve the people prospects altogether.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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It’s time to outlaw stalking-based business models. If you just break up Facebook but don’t outlaw the underlying scummy business model something else will just take its place.

I think "surveillance capitalism" has a better ring to it. Maybe "corporate surveillance" if we want to be less ideological.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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I disagree. But I'm not on any, nor use any, of Facebook's services. "It's Time to Break Up with Facebook" is a better title.

> We already have the tools we need to check the domination of Facebook. We just seem to have forgotten about them.

That evokes different ideas with me and I'm sure it does for many users of this site. We have the tools and capability to employ them to make alternatives. We're so focused on the dominance that we ignore the possibility.

> Mark Zuckerberg cannot fix Facebook, but our government can.

This is incredibly naive. I haven't gone down the logical path to play this scenario out but my gut tells me that the hand that the government will force will be short-sighted and attack the symptom. The results may be worse.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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“If we don’t have public servants shaping these policies, corporations will.” I fear that in the current environment where money largely drives politics that corporations will just shift from directly making policy to funding the politicians who will do-so on their behalf.

Well... this is how they currently make policy. There aren’t literally corporations writing law.

Sure there are. That's what all of the associations e.g. NRA do. They write new laws, law makers possibly make a few edits, and then propose those laws to their legislature.
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