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Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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I suffer from Tinnitus Distress and Ménière's.

From my limited experience with Psilocybin mushrooms, I believe that occasional low dosages might provide me with weeks or even months of symptom suppression and relief.

Any steps towards making possession less risky would be extremely welcome.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt there will ever be a clear answer on this. More likely, there will be a variety of factors. That said, the "gateway drug" effect is real. It's been shown in many studies (although I'm not sure how many looked at shrooms as the gateway- usually it's weed). Likewise, we've probably all seen people drink ever-stronger drinks to get drunk/buzzed once their body because resistant to alcohol. Other drugs are no dif…

The gateway drug effect is only real in a black market where an actor will likely be pushing many different drugs. If they are all available legally, and the populace is educated about them, the outcome is likely to be better than the contrary, where it's illegal, and taboo.

Exactly, places like Amsterdam where you can buy both marijuana and shrooms legally are not destroyed pits of hell either.

In fact I enjoy Amsterdam a lot and it does many things much better than comparable cities in Germany. Especially catastrophically bad places like Berlin.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Says something for the value of some sort of CI process. Here in Australia there are clear popular majorities for some form of loosening laws re marijuana, yet any politician who makes serious moves in that direction is crucified by the far right press. In effect, a foreigner (Rupert Murdoch) has a veto over Australian laws. Even with a CI though, magic mushrooms would be a bridge too far here I suspect. Imagine allo…

What does CI stand for in this case?

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Says something for the value of some sort of CI process. Here in Australia there are clear popular majorities for some form of loosening laws re marijuana, yet any politician who makes serious moves in that direction is crucified by the far right press. In effect, a foreigner (Rupert Murdoch) has a veto over Australian laws. Even with a CI though, magic mushrooms would be a bridge too far here I suspect. Imagine allo…

Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. He was born there. I don't know if you recognize dual citizenship, but if you do then it seems he is still Australian. His son James Murdoch is eligible to have Australian citizenship. Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party.…

>>Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia.

This sounds like a very bizarre thing to focus on.

I was born in another country, and have been living in the US for 17 years, i.e. all my adult life. I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family; I'm unfamiliar with and ignorant of cultural changes, events, news, etc. that have happened since I left.

So if I controlled most of the media outlets back home from where I currently am... does that not strike you as something that my home country's citizens can reasonably take issue with?

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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post #88

Says something for the value of some sort of CI process. Here in Australia there are clear popular majorities for some form of loosening laws re marijuana, yet any politician who makes serious moves in that direction is crucified by the far right press. In effect, a foreigner (Rupert Murdoch) has a veto over Australian laws. Even with a CI though, magic mushrooms would be a bridge too far here I suspect. Imagine allo…

Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. He was born there. I don't know if you recognize dual citizenship, but if you do then it seems he is still Australian. His son James Murdoch is eligible to have Australian citizenship. Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party.…

> Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you,

He gave up his Australian citizenship to further his US business interests. He is widely considered to be an enemy of the nation. I regret my 'foreigner' cheap shot though. It's irrelevant, even a tad xenophobic.

> Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party.

Fox News!

The fact that Murdoch may attempt to smear his malign influence also over corporate Dems (a standard balanced corruption portfolio) is little mitigation.

> James Murdoch gave the legal maximum amount to Pete Buttigieg

Different person.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Says something for the value of some sort of CI process. Here in Australia there are clear popular majorities for some form of loosening laws re marijuana, yet any politician who makes serious moves in that direction is crucified by the far right press. In effect, a foreigner (Rupert Murdoch) has a veto over Australian laws. Even with a CI though, magic mushrooms would be a bridge too far here I suspect. Imagine allo…

What does CI stand for in this case?

Citizen Initiative - an umbrella term for referenda, assemblies, etc. Apologies I don't think the initialism is standard & should have spelled it out.

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. He was born there. I don't know if you recognize dual citizenship, but if you do then it seems he is still Australian. His son James Murdoch is eligible to have Australian citizenship. Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party.…

>>Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. This sounds like a very bizarre thing to focus on. I was born in another country, and have been living in the US for 17 years, i.e. all my adult life. I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family; I'm unfamiliar with and ignorant of cultural changes, events, news, etc. that have happened since I left…

To be fair to @burfog there, it was me that brought the 'foreigner' thing up.

> I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family

Yeah, isn't that odd. I'm a UK expat living in Aus & I feel the same. I'm far more at home in Australia (despite still having an English accent).

Murdoch is a special case in a way because, although dual US/Aus citizenship is a thing, he explicitly renounced Australian citizenship because it was required under US media ownership laws (IIRC) for a deal he wanted to push through. That does make his dominance of the Aus media scene stick in the craw even more, though (as I mentioned above) the whole issue does sniff a bit of a kind of xenophobia I dislike. Besides, there's plenty enough to dislike about Murdoch & his empire without needing to bring nationality into it ;)

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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Psilocybin mushrooms are less legal in The Netherlands than in Denver. All because a French student committed suicide in Amsterdam after eating mushrooms.

Depends on where you get the Psilocybin from. Search "Magic Truffles"

True, although those are technically not psilocybin mushrooms. Also, AFAIK the fly agaric (amanita muscaria) is still legal. It is also very clearly references in all kind of folklore (including religions).

Re: Denver decriminalizes psychedelic mushrooms

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I'm confused. If the federal government needed an amendment to criminalize alcohol how did it have the power to criminalize other drugs without an amendment?

Not really. Abolitionists wanted an amendment because its harder to reverse than a simple law.

Goes to show you that if something is really that big of a flop it WILL get repealed.
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