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Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by vermilingua »

kmlx wrote: post #6
Lio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone famous once said "democracy is the worst system apart from all the others". You can keep your "democracy 2.0" I'd rather see Facebook forced to follow the spirit and rule of law.

i don’t understand this attitude. we know that democracy is flawed and the best answer is “we’ll keep it flawed”? think how software evolves. now think how democracy stagnates. i know humans are extremely conservative by nature, but this is just absurd.

You aren’t the only person to have had this idea. Most of those that follow through on it, have a tendency to commit war crimes.

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Post by okket »

kmlx wrote: post #6
Lio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone famous once said "democracy is the worst system apart from all the others". You can keep your "democracy 2.0" I'd rather see Facebook forced to follow the spirit and rule of law.

i don’t understand this attitude. we know that democracy is flawed and the best answer is “we’ll keep it flawed”? think how software evolves. now think how democracy stagnates. i know humans are extremely conservative by nature, but this is just absurd.

> we know that democracy is flawed and the best answer is “we’ll keep it flawed”?

As long as the democracy with flaws is better than the alternative, yes.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by nkozyra »

anonu wrote: post #7

I agree to breaking up Facebook. But the message falls flat when the suggestion is to spin off WhatsApp and Instagram into separate companies. This doesn't really do anything. When standard oil or Bell telephone broke up, they were broken across geographic lines or "horizontally" in situations where the business was vertically integrated (separating extraction, refining or transport in the case of standard oil) FB, I…

How are the business models different?

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by luckerzerg »

Let's get that Kuckerberg asshole out of the loop. He can pretend that he's hetero with that asian i-m-totally-not-gay pro forma ass holed bride. Guess she'll never need to be grabbed by the SCSI, since Kuckerberg is full gay and all.

The jewish end.

Get kuckerberg out of any business orientation. Go back to giving and taking it in the ass, just like your hetero smokescreen asian bitch.

Let's ass it up for the faggot named Cuckerberg.

Ass all the way. Faggot from start to end. Full faggot.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by adrianN »

kmlx wrote: post #3

“Chris Hughes, a co-founder of Facebook, says the company is so big and powerful that it threatens our democracy.” considering how flawed democracies are, i say let democracy die. adopt democracy 2.0 (no parties, no president/pm, no cabinet ministers, elected speaker, continuous citizen participation) and that’s that.

I'm against direct democracy because I don't have the expertise or the time to make informed decisions about everything my government is currently doing for me. Direct democracy will likely devolve into a reign of demagogues imho.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by lm28469 »

kmlx wrote: post #6
Lio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone famous once said "democracy is the worst system apart from all the others". You can keep your "democracy 2.0" I'd rather see Facebook forced to follow the spirit and rule of law.

i don’t understand this attitude. we know that democracy is flawed and the best answer is “we’ll keep it flawed”? think how software evolves. now think how democracy stagnates. i know humans are extremely conservative by nature, but this is just absurd.

Are you implying that there is a system free of flaws that we have yet to discover ?

First, "democracy" is pretty vague, do you mean direct democracy, representative democracy, presidential democracy, &c. Then "democracy" isn't a fixed thing, it's been changing continuously for thousands of years. 500BC Athens democracy hasn't much to do with today's US version of democracy. So no, we don't "keep it flawed".

Democracy means "power to the people", the way you implement it might be flawed but the underlying principle sounds very sane.

> think how software evolves. now think how democracy stagnates

Change doesn't necessarily mean progress. You don't get to "move fast and break things" in geopolitics.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by basetop »

Why just facebook? Why not Amazon, Google, JPM, Disney, etc?

"Chris Hughes, a co-founder of Facebook, says the company is so big and powerful that it threatens our democracy."

"threatens our democracy". I've heard this talking point so much that it has no meaning any longer. It's just another of the oft-repeated talking point created by PR firms as part of a propaganda campaign.

If facebook is truly that powerful that it "threatens our democracy", then it doesn't say much of our democracy does it? I'd say the people attacking the constitution and our rights are the real "threats to our democracy". Facebook is far down on the list of "threats to our democracy". I consider censorship, money in politics, the congressional-industrial-military complex, the israeli/saudi/chinese/etc influence in our economic, media and government institutions, globalism, etc to be far greater threats to democracy than facebook. If facebook was truly as powerful as he says, the establishment and their media wouldn't be attacking facebook as vigorously as they have been. Lets be honest.

If Chris Hughes, "co-founder" of Facebook truly feels this way, why doesn't he just created a competitor to facebook. It isn't that difficult to create a social media platform. Though it may be difficult to get users.

Re: Chris Hughes Says It’s Time to Break Up Facebook

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Post by montalbano »

vermilingua wrote: post #10
uptown wrote: post #4

“If we don’t have public servants shaping these policies, corporations will.” I fear that in the current environment where money largely drives politics that corporations will just shift from directly making policy to funding the politicians who will do-so on their behalf.

Well... this is how they currently make policy. There aren’t literally corporations writing law.

In some cases corporations literally do write the law:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/04/03...

https://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

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