What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right • Hacker News Board

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by DuskStar » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

GreaterFool wrote: post #336

eropple wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop bec…

> I define "fascist" I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that! `fascism` already has an established meaning. Please make up a new word for what you believe `fascism` means. Going by the dictionary definition: > 1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatori…

Well, a lot of people seem to have accepted that it's racist to oppose discriminating based on race in college admissions... This would not be the first time in recent memory that a word came to be used for exactly the opposite meaning.

I'd love to hear from someone who thinks that that isn't a definition in use today, or that affirmative action wouldn't have been considered prima facie racist a century ago, no matter the races.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by schoolthrowaway » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:25 AM UTC

Just to add to the pile. I was once accused of kicking a teacher during a class. I was at the back of the class when it happened. What followed was 2 days of "guilty until proven innocent" karangaroo court, the teacher vowing to get me put in the remedial class (he knew I was striving for valedictorian, he was trying his best to inflict whatever pain he could on me). I was terrified, beyond upset and I don't think I ever truly got over the injustice. Luckily I had pigheaded parents who point blanked refused to accept the idea I could have done something so stupid. I will always remember how my life could have changed for the worse due to the pettiness of one man who was suppose to be looking out for the future of kids. One of many, many injustices I witnessed. No wonder kids are getting angrier and more stressed.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by jdminhbg » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:28 AM UTC

kristofferR wrote: post #200

lpernille wrote: post #189

This is why I homeschool my kids. I think as geeks we've solved the problem of learning, look at all the stuff we've built by figuring out how to learn by ourselves. We don't really need schools for this function anymore.

You can't homeschool social skills though.

This whole article was about how public schools resulted in a socially maladjusted kid who was brought back from the brink by his mother at home.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by NotSammyHagar » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:30 AM UTC

That's a good read, as the parent of a teenager I probably am not supervising him as much as I wish I did, but fortunately he hasn't fallen into that world.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by mistermann » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:36 AM UTC

GreaterFool wrote: post #336

eropple wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop bec…

> I define "fascist" I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that! `fascism` already has an established meaning. Please make up a new word for what you believe `fascism` means. Going by the dictionary definition: > 1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatori…

> how can we have any discussion about anything if everyone gets to define words to mean whatever they want to mean?

Redefining terms has been common on reddit for years now but it is gaining ground here quite steadily. It's pretty disheartening that the mods seem fine with this, perhaps they see it as an ends justifies the means type of thing.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by faissaloo » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:36 AM UTC

>Ergo, clueless normies who put their own spin on your brilliant memes deserve to die.

The term 'normie' means alot more than just 'someone who ruins memes'. Normies are primarily hated because they often treat 'autists' as other or less than.

>“I liked them because they were adults and they thought I was an adult. They took me seriously.”

I totally agree with this, growing up it would anger me to no end that people wouldn't take me seriously because of my age, Aaron Swartz used to say 'I hate when you don't take me seriously'.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by berrynice » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:40 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #58

ukulele wrote: post #13

> He would be offline for a month and would need other mods to cover for him. To ask for help, he had to out himself as a kid. I wonder to what extent the alt-right actually is a young teen movement, with adults mixed in (being the ones who show in person). Is there any at least semi-reliable data on this?

I've watched the so-called alt-right develop online over the past 2-3 decades. Usenet, Live Journal, Encyclopedia Dramatica, the chans, etc. At least at the start, it was mostly about trolling and lulz. The anger of TFWNG. But somehow it's been captured by the actual right wing. That's frightening. There's a lotta young male angst out there.

>But somehow it's been captured by the actual right wing.

You can thank Stormfront forums raiding 4chan for that.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by mistermann » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:45 AM UTC

eropple wrote: post #324

ytNumbers wrote: post #307

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I suppose UKIP not wanting to submit to their EU bureaucrat overlords makes them radical, right-wing, authoritarian, ultranationalists. Can't someone just finally be sick and tired of all the consequences of EU globalism without being labeled a racist? Sigh... I guess someone has to live for decades in one of the areas worst affected by globalism in order to grasp what has been squandered. For most people, they're no…

I suppose such people could exist. But they're plainly not the main. I know this because I listen to their spokespeople. They are unsubtle. And you didn't answer why you chopped the quote. I wonder why.

Can you post any evidence to support your claim? An example of evidence would be the definition of the word "fascist" you are using including a link to the authoritative source, and then some sort of verifiably authentic statement from UKIP that demonstrates their beliefs are truly and properly described as "fascist".

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by thisrod » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:46 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #272

rayiner wrote: post #193

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Students who engage in serious misconduct, or repeated disruptive conduct will be “counseled out.” But private schools are generally small, closed communities, which creates a high level of trust and allows routine misunderstandings and disputes to be resolved reasonably. Also, there are strong disincentives to “going nuclear” for both the school and the parents. The schools obviously stand to lose revenue, but the p…

Alternatively, as was the case at my private high school, the small, closed community creates a high level of trust and allows truly awful behavior to be papered over and worked around, because that can line up with the incentives of the community.

Or you could be at an elite private high school, rightly upset about aspects of it, but aware that something which strikes a 14 year old as a pointless abuse of power might actually be the grit for which penicillin and the structure of DNA are the pearls, and desperately hoping that the pervasive homophobia falls in the former category.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Post by GreaterFool » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:47 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #80

GreaterFool wrote: post #26

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What does flagged mean on HN? Not sure why my comment got down-voted so fast. It's a genuine question. If people can't agree on what Nazi means we should ban the word altogether since it has loaded political context and doesn't foster proper discussion. It appears to me that: 1) Some use Nazi to mean Nazi Party with proper historical context 2) Some use Nazi as tool to bludgeon anyone they don't like 3) Some use Nazi…

Flagged on HN means that some users thought your comment broke the site guidelines and shouldn't have been posted here. (See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. ) After that, your comment got enough upvotes to override the flags, which is why the [flagged] marker disappeared. I think your comment was fine, but I had to read it pretty closely to be sure. Most…

> The word "Nazi" itself contains a provocative charge

I find this a bit confusing. Provocative to whom? There are 1) people calling other people Nazis and there are 2) people being called Nazis.

1) Can't claim they're being provoked because they're the ones using the word in the first place. I don't think 2) would be offended by the word itself. They don't like being called Nazis, which is different.

When someone says "Nazi" I'm thinking "The Final Solution to the Jewish Question" and the "superiority of the Aryan master race". These are very bad things and practically everyone agrees!

Side note: perhaps when people say Nazis they mean ethno-nationalists?

Nazis killed millions of people in Europe and took my country apart. What was left behind is a deeply damaged society. I don't know how many generations it will take to fix it. So it annoys me when the word is thrown so casually at any random person on the internet. A dude going to a Mall with a swastika flag is probably just an ass that wants to "trigger lefties". And they take the bait. And media takes the bait too.