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What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Sams response to his treatment -- that men ought to have the right to be presumed innocent -- seems the only reasonable reaction. The mother should be ashamed of herself for believing that men should not have rights. The father too i presume

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> When we did confront Sam—say, if we caught a glimpse of a vile meme on his phone—he assured us that it was meant to be funny and that we didn’t get it. It was either “post-ironic” or referenced multiple other events that created a maze-like series of in-jokes impossible for us to follow. I have made it clear to people I know that parroting vile positions online "because of humor" isn't really a clarification that y…

I have a friend who went to a Jewish high school in the U.S. (reformed, not Yeshiva) and graduated with enough Holocaust jokes to write her own anti-Semitic encyclopedia. Children challenge their surroundings, it’s part of growing up. If Sam (from the article) feels like he has been marginalized, misrepresented and punished unfairly by a system that does not even try to understand him then I am sure he would relate t…

> I am sure he would relate the experiences relayed in a Holocaust museum

As am I, and as did I at around that age. It's one thing to learn about the Holocaust in a classroom setting (and I remember getting bombarded by it every year; pretty much every class that wasn't categorized as "math" or "elective" would spend what felt like - and probably was - a whole month on the Holocaust, to the point of borderline desensitization). It's another to see it up close and personally in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum; I distinctly remember the wall of shoes, and even thinking back on it right now shakes me harder than the entirety of my in-classroom education.

If you're ever in Washington DC, definitely take the time to visit the USHMM. It's free and open every day except Yom Kippur and Christmas. I wasn't enthused about it beforehand (I was a bratty teenager, and way more interested in the Air & Space Museum), but it ended up being the most memorable part of that trip, and the part I appreciated - and still appreciate - the most.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube The Recommendation Algorithm Gods have been kind to you, then. Not all of us are so fortunate.

OK. I believe that. But does this mean you watched fascist video by yourself, otherwise YouTube wouldn't recommend those videos to you, right?

No, that's not how their algorithm works. I can't find the link now, but a former employee said that their algorithm is designed to keep you engaged with the site, and that typically involves directing you to more and more extreme versions of the previous videos. For example, if you were to watch a video about mainstream rock and continually follow YouTube's recommendations at the end of the videos, you'd end up at videos about death metal, or other niche genres. It does the same thing with politics; you can start out watching a Bernie Sanders video and end up at videos promoting full on socialism, or watch a video about increasing border security and end up at videos about immigrants ruining the country.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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How is PragerU fascist?

I don't think PragerU is fascist. I was thinking you can get from video games to PragerU in two hops like the parent comment mentioned. Maybe two hops from there you can get to fascist stuff Keep in mind a lot of fascist stuff tries to brand itself as " a search for "inconvenient truths" and usually doesn't outright say "yes I want to support a white ethnostate and murder minorities by doing X/Y/Z".

PragerU is exactly what I was thinking of, yes; it's firmly chud stuff. Everybody's favorite cool skull, Shaun, has a pretty good breakdown of the nonsense they throw out there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM7BgrddY18

From there, you definitely can get to actual fascists, whose channels I won't shout out here. And, because YouTube fits to a very small set of data points, one misclick onto PragerU may very well fit you for a whole lot of shit.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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There are bits of this story which simply don't add up or end up feeling quite embellished. The reaction from the principle seems quite far-fetched and the ending feels like it was meant as a call back to the beginning rather than something that actually happened. Regardless though, this story is generally correct in how the alt-right appeals to younger and more vulnerable individuals. They tend to recruit through av…

For all the talk about Russian social media meddling, I'm surprised no one ever speculates about foreign meddling in media such as the chans. To what extent has chan culture been influenced by foreign agitprop?

> I'm surprised no one ever speculates about foreign meddling in media such as the chans

I feel like plenty of people do speculate about that - and for good reason, given that anonymity includes not knowing the nationality of any given "anon" (and even 4chan's operators won't ever really be able to know, given how common it is for non-Americans to use American VPNs for other things - e.g. bypassing region locks on media services).

Same goes even for places that don't have a concept of an "anon" per se, like reddit or even Hacker News. I might claim to be an American citizen living in the SF Bay Area, but that doesn't mean I actually am an American citizen living in the SF Bay Area. Y Combinator might be able to see that my posts are more-or-less consistently coming from American IP addresses (barring a point in time where one of the GeoIP data providers believed my home IP to be Canadian, thus locking me out of various content on Spotify and shunting me over to the Canadian version of Newegg, much to my combination of chagrin and amusement), but it's quite possible that those IP addresses are just the far ends of VPN connections from, say, Russia.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Google-related, but I'd submit that YouTube is one of the prime culprits. Kids like stuff like video games. Video game recommendations devolve into chud territory in two hops - fascist in three or four.

Really? I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube. Yes, there are lots of right-wing videos. Fascist? I don't believe there are that many on YouTube, unless you define fascist as anything anti-left.

I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv...

Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop because 1) he has been banned, and 2) dear Carl is now running for the European Parliament as a member of literal-fascist Ukip.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube The Recommendation Algorithm Gods have been kind to you, then. Not all of us are so fortunate.

OK. I believe that. But does this mean you watched fascist video by yourself, otherwise YouTube wouldn't recommend those videos to you, right?

It's a correlative algorithm.

If a lot of people into video games and history watch X, it will recommend X to you. And it turns out that the community of active, engaged video games folk have a lot of chuds who are all over alt-right-to-fascist video content.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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The ending of this article is a little hard to believe. It seems to end the exact way that the author would have wanted it to, something that is very uncommon behavior in teenagers in these situations.

I don't know, I'd believe it. Two years is a long time for someone who's just starting high school and a lot can change in that time.

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It's not just about the word "socialist" in the party name. Policy actually fits, on that and more. They were into government intervention and social spending. They had gun control. (a prerequisite for hauling off the Jews) They shipped an ethnicity off to prison camps, just as FDR did. FDR is on the left, is he not? They had the Sturmabteilung to break up opponent's political meetings, rather like the violent protes…

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