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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

camel_Snake wrote: post #220
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #187

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The last free press of Novaya Gazeta received plenty and published plenty. Their journalists have been murdered left and right, often leading back to Kreml. Why do people keep saying they haven't published anything on Russia? It's simply not truth and I see that being said over and over again.

I believe you are conflating Assanges lack of publication of Russian material with Navoya Gazeta.

What do you mean by that? What I meant was that a lot of the sources for Novoya Gazeta regarding the murder of Anna Politkovskaya (as an example) who was one of their co-workers was Wikileaks. The very openly blamed Kreml/Putin. I don't know how else can I phrase it, I answered to the statement that "publish anything that would embarrass Russia".

Also "Spy Files Russia" aka a national system of online surveillance. That counts too. You can call him an asset all you want and you might be right but the statement that is repeated by the media and a lot of the Americans that they never publish anything on Russia is simply untrue.

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

mullingitover wrote: post #240
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last free press of Novaya Gazeta received plenty and published plenty. Their journalists have been murdered left and right, often leading back to Kreml. Why do people keep saying they haven't published anything on Russia? It's simply not truth and I see that being said over and over again.

> The last free press of Novaya Gazeta received plenty and published plenty. ...so?

What do you mean by so? I answered to a statement that they never published anything embarrassing Russia.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

markdown wrote: post #206
TomMckenny wrote: post #144

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Absolutely. Most corporations have no more loyalty to one "side" or the other nor any more loyalty to an ideology than the Coke/Fanta hybrid-monstrosity of the 1940s. It took employees to force Google to reverse some of its policies, not its board of directors. At the same time, as the US withdraws from the world, China fills in. They zealously sell the surveillance state and its equipment world wide just as the US e…

> occasionally harmful American hegemony Occasionally harmful? Hundreds of thousands slaughtered in the middle east in the past two decades isn't "occasionally harmful! China isn't even in the same league when it comes to the harm of US hegemony.

Post WW2 there has never been a more peaceful era in history per capita.

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

icelancer wrote: post #248
mullingitover wrote: post #168

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I thought he was at one point, but now it's sadly obvious he's an intelligence asset. He was literally an employee of Russian state media, and I have yet to see him publish anything that would embarrass Russia.

>> literally an employee of Russian state media Citation needed.

He wasn't. He produced a show and RT aired it. As did some Italian television program. Journeyman Pictures was the distributor. They have a good YouTube channel by the way. Noam Chomsky also took part of one episode.

A lot of people have appeared on RT. Yes, it's a Russian state owned television and obviously propaganda, but so is any other state (or private in fact) owned television/news reporting agency. BBC is being broadcasted in every language you can imagine in. No doubt Russia took advantage of the situation, but there's nothing suggesting that Assange is a Russian agent that gets parroted everywhere. Heck, not even the Mueller report said anything like that and it was very long. At least not the redacted version.

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Post by tomohawk »

scohesc wrote: post #18

It's a bit telling when a media giant like CBS can't strike a happy medium by you know - both not censoring it in the US and censoring it in china - instead, choosing to censor the whole thing outright on the entire platform. It's almost like all these American companies are moving en masse to do business in China with the sole purpose of increasing profits every single quarter, irrespective of (and arguably, now enc…

There is no happy medium to be found by compromising on basic human rights with the CCP

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Post by markdown »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #263
markdown wrote: post #206

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> occasionally harmful American hegemony Occasionally harmful? Hundreds of thousands slaughtered in the middle east in the past two decades isn't "occasionally harmful! China isn't even in the same league when it comes to the harm of US hegemony.

Post WW2 there has never been a more peaceful era in history per capita.

There's still a lack of peace in some countries. The US should invade to slaughter the naughty people and anyone standing next to them in order to impose peace and prosperity in those places as well.

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Post by markdown »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #225
markdown wrote: post #206

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> occasionally harmful American hegemony Occasionally harmful? Hundreds of thousands slaughtered in the middle east in the past two decades isn't "occasionally harmful! China isn't even in the same league when it comes to the harm of US hegemony.

> China isn't even in the same league when it comes to the harm of US hegemony. No need to pick one or the other. There's plenty of hegemony from both to go around: "The Communist Chinese invasion in 1950 led to years of turmoil, that culminated in the complete overthrow of the Tibetan Government and the self-imposed exile of the Dalai Lama and 100,000 Tibetans in 1959. Since that time over a million Tibetans have be…

I agree that China is horrible. There is one thing that separates China from the US though and that is that the US thinks the entire world should dance to its tune. The US will invade nations in distant continents, overthrow distant governments it doesn't like, kidnap people all over the world (extraordinary rendition), all while sitting on a horse so high it blocks out the sun.

China is a horrible state led by a despot, but it doesn't have a history of invading and killing anywhere beyond what it's historically claimed to be part of itself.

So to most of the world, the US has always been the greater threat.

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Post by golemiprague »

Miner49er wrote: post #126
gtfratteus wrote: post #61

What are the odds this will teach the American left that censorship is not a good thing and lead them to stop demanding Google, Twitter, and Facebook ban every user who wants to reduce immigration? 1%? 0%?

I don't think this is a good comparison. The bans you are talking about (ignoring the hyperbole) are for hate speech. This is censhorship of critisicm of an authoritarian government. I don't think the two are remotely comparable.

The bans are because they criticise the left, the Chinese probably also calls criticism of themselves "hate speech".

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Post by [deleted] »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #231
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #42

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May I ask if you've actually watched the show? In context, this was a list of the words that are being monitored by the NSA. It stands to reason that the NSA would want to track people who discuss assassinating the president. I don't understand why this is controversial.

That context doesn't absolve CBS. It is wildly inappropriate to be doing such a thing.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #232
komali2 wrote: post #99

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Yes, because the context was "the NSA should be concerned about these words." I think the NSA is concerned about the assassination of any president.

No, that doesn't absolve CBS. The words themselves are far too easily decontextualized by people, they have power on their own. CBS is hiding behind that, it's utterly inappropriate. The context would have to be glaringly and completely clear, basically explained, in order for it to be approaching 'ok'.

But, in the show, that context is glaringly and completely clear! There are two NSA employees looking at their list of NSA-provided words to determine whether they have cause to spy on a citizen. How could it be more clear?
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