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What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> Sam pledged fealty to the idea of men’s rights because, as he said, his former administrator had privileged girls’ words and experiences over boys’, and that’s how all of his troubles had started in the first place. I wonder how common this dynamic is now.

Father of boys and girls here. Both sexes are just as violent, boys more so on the body, and girls more so on the mind.

It was fascinating to hear my 7 year old daughter grasp for words to make me angry: ‘when you and mom divorce, I’m going with mom.’ I just raised an eyebrow and ignored. Boy’s will just throw things.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Why are Americans so obsessed with Nazis? I mean, I'm from Europe and I don't recall growing up worrying about everyone being a secret (or overt) Nazi, which, unless promptly punched in the face, would somehow take over. WWII and Nazis destroyed Europe. Are Europeans worried about Nazis? Not as far as I can tell. Yet all I see from American news is Nazis this Nazis that. Can someone explain?

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Serious question: can you give an actual example of this because I can't think of a single one. A lot of commentators without thinking seem to call the nazi's a 'left' party -- I assume because of the word socialist in the party name -- there are many books on the history of the nazi party, and reading any of them should be enough to clear anyone of this misapprehension.

It's not just about the word "socialist" in the party name. Policy actually fits, on that and more. They were into government intervention and social spending. They had gun control. (a prerequisite for hauling off the Jews) They shipped an ethnicity off to prison camps, just as FDR did. FDR is on the left, is he not? They had the Sturmabteilung to break up opponent's political meetings, rather like the violent protes…

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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This is why I homeschool my kids. I think as geeks we've solved the problem of learning, look at all the stuff we've built by figuring out how to learn by ourselves. We don't really need schools for this function anymore.

You can't homeschool social skills though.

That’s what Sudbury schools are for.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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I didn't know either, until I saw educationdata's comment. It's subtle, but I think opportune is implying that PragerU is fascist.

I'm not. I am implying that it is conservative and advertises a lot. If you can get from videogames to PragerU in a couple clicks I wouldn't be surprised if you could get from PragerU to facist stuff in a couple clicks. And if it's possible to get from almost anywhere in youtube into conservative propaganda territory in 1-2 clicks, then from there I think the recommendation system can (without ads) probably get you t…

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> Sam prides himself on questioning conventional wisdom and subjecting claims to intellectual scrutiny. For kids today, that means Googling stuff. One might think these searches would turn up a variety of perspectives, including at least a few compelling counterarguments. One would be wrong. The Google searches flooded his developing brain with endless bias-confirming “proof” to back up whichever specious alt-right s…

The role of education (and parenting) is to teach the child how to sort information they obtain from sources like those googled results. Why did he believe in those biased sources of info? How come he didn't have the skills to determine what is fact and what is opinion stated as fact?

It's a good question.

I guess one part of it is that alt-right sources pre-inoculate readers against potential sources of truth, by calling them liars.

For instance, Snopes is often held up as a good place to go to debunk things. Except one of the things you learn early on from even moderate right-wing sources is that Snopes is apparently massively left-wing-biased, and since they've been wrong or biased on a couple of things, it means their entire worldview is suspect. And of course you can't trust any of the lying mainstream media.

So at that point you hit up Google and - surprise - the only sources of truth remaining are right-wing sites, and left-wing blogs trying to discredit them; but the left-wing blogs have a very obvious political bias, and they're just written by some guy in a basement, so of course they're lying too. So you're left with only writing that confirms what you suspected in the first place.

I guess the only way out of that is to be smart enough to notice the internal inconsistencies or plot holes, or that some of the facts that are being asserted simply cannot be true - and then principled enough to care about that. Both of those are probably quite high hurdles for a casual news-reader.

Certainly in less extreme circumstances, when I have occasionally checked moderate right-wing sites to fact-check my own left-wing news sources, I have found it very hard to trust that those sites might be correct, and that my favourite news site might be mistaken. And I don't do that anywhere near as often as I should do.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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post #46

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In most of Europe WW2 was just a terrible ordeal. In Germany it's a source of great shame. But the US? WW2 was the making of modern America. The US was catapulted into a world leader position, and got to feel like a badass hero doing it. And WW2 was the US's first major overseas conflict. Nazis are the archetypical "enemy without".

Oh goodness, there were 4.7 million US soldiers in the first world war - out of a US population of 102 million at the time. Surely that must be major?

The US reacted to the end of the first world war by retreating from global affairs. They didn't even join the league of nations their president was instrumental in creating. WWI was terrible, but it simply did not result in the drastic societal changes that WWII caused.

WWII was the start of a new world order with the USA at the forefront.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Portions of our far-right literally wear Nazi regalia. If it weren't for that, we'd probably be less concerned.

Don't worry about the LARPers. There are so few of them, they are so dumb, they have so little power, and they never will. Worry instead about those quiet ones out there reading old and problematic books: the free spirits, burning forth, ready to smash all our tablets of values.

Maybe we should burn those old books, just to be safe

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> an overly zealous person who takes politics as a tribal game and has no sincere intention of changing anybody's mind. But he did, didn't he?

That persuasion happened thanks to his verbal communication, not his over-the-top rhetorically toxic T-shirt.

The sale happened because of the product's merits - it had nothing to do with the advertisement copy.
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