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What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> He would be offline for a month and would need other mods to cover for him. To ask for help, he had to out himself as a kid. I wonder to what extent the alt-right actually is a young teen movement, with adults mixed in (being the ones who show in person). Is there any at least semi-reliable data on this?

It should also be noted that the far-right does actually have a high number of paedophiles in senior positions. Shall we see what Milo has to say on the subject?

I'm sure beyond the curtain, you'll find a disproportionate amount of psychopathy and malingant paraphilias in senior positions of any political spectrum.

The wolves of politics don't thrive in virtue...

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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I got removed from a different forum the other day for posting this link along with "people worked up over Nazis vs Commies just need to get outside, meet each other, and see that we're all just folks."

This is a little too... optimistic in my opinion. I dislike both nazis and commies, but it seems clear to me that there are deep and irreconcilable value and cultural conflicts at play in society. Ultimately, these groups do not "speak the same language of Good and Evil," as Nietzsche would say, and are potential precursors to new societies. They should be allowed to part ways, permanently, in my opinion.

How can any of us part ways permanently? We're all inhabiting the same world.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Why are Americans so obsessed with Nazis? I mean, I'm from Europe and I don't recall growing up worrying about everyone being a secret (or overt) Nazi, which, unless promptly punched in the face, would somehow take over. WWII and Nazis destroyed Europe. Are Europeans worried about Nazis? Not as far as I can tell. Yet all I see from American news is Nazis this Nazis that. Can someone explain?

Paraphrasing, because I can't find the original quote: You can start a movement without a god, but not without a devil.

It's mostly a boogeyman used to galvanize and justify another extremist group.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> He would be offline for a month and would need other mods to cover for him. To ask for help, he had to out himself as a kid. I wonder to what extent the alt-right actually is a young teen movement, with adults mixed in (being the ones who show in person). Is there any at least semi-reliable data on this?

Regardless of how it started, it’s seemed pretty clear to me that the alt-right has been a very deliberate vehicle for the radical right to recruit young people for quite some time now.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Editorialized but frank 1 sentence summary: "My son turned into an American Taliban right in front of me and I blame his previous public school based on this one incident".

Now look, I'm pretty sure the American education system heavily needs an overhaul, but the whole story is just so unbelievable I was half expecting the words "and then the whole plane clapped" somewhere in there as a dog whistle of sorts.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! This is an anti-public school administration article masquerading as an anti-alt-right article.

No, it is both of the antis- you specified. Specifically, it is a story about how the author believes the bad behavior of school administration pushed their sun into the bad world of the alt-right.

Oh, I don't mean to say that it is secretly uncritical of the alt-right. It's clear that the alt-right runs counter to the mother's morals, just that these morals are taken as given and assumed in the audience as well. It is not a direct critique of the alt-right.

There are tons of strange subcultures and radical groups out there looking to eat your mind and the minds of your children. "My child joined the alt-right" is far more of a catchy title than "my child joined a neoreactionary reading group" or "my child joined some communist revolutionaries." Those groups are either things no one has heard of or are has beens. The alt-right still have some energy as today's "evildoers." It's our modern "my child became a satanist," or, hell, "my child became a protestant."

All this is reminiscent of that old "Is Your Child A Hacker." Where is our "Is Your Child A Shitlord?" Of course, the entire story could be a fabrication, for all we know.

Since it's the evil of today and will surely grab some eyeballs... why not stick in some valuable reminders of how absolutely terrible being a child in the school system is?

If that was the intention in this piece, I salute the author!

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Critical thinking? As the story presents it, his conversions to and from alt-right were entirely emotion based.

That was not my interpretation at all, especially in the part where he interviews marchers and finds that some of their beliefs are "internally inconsistent"

What do their beliefs matter, if his own are consistent? That's just association fallacy.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> Sam prides himself on questioning conventional wisdom and subjecting claims to intellectual scrutiny. For kids today, that means Googling stuff. One might think these searches would turn up a variety of perspectives, including at least a few compelling counterarguments. One would be wrong. The Google searches flooded his developing brain with endless bias-confirming “proof” to back up whichever specious alt-right s…

The role of education (and parenting) is to teach the child how to sort information they obtain from sources like those googled results.

Why did he believe in those biased sources of info? How come he didn't have the skills to determine what is fact and what is opinion stated as fact?

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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What does flagged mean on HN? Not sure why my comment got down-voted so fast. It's a genuine question. If people can't agree on what Nazi means we should ban the word altogether since it has loaded political context and doesn't foster proper discussion. It appears to me that: 1) Some use Nazi to mean Nazi Party with proper historical context 2) Some use Nazi as tool to bludgeon anyone they don't like 3) Some use Nazi…

Flagged on HN means that some users thought your comment broke the site guidelines and shouldn't have been posted here. (See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. ) After that, your comment got enough upvotes to override the flags, which is why the [flagged] marker disappeared. I think your comment was fine, but I had to read it pretty closely to be sure. Most…

Interesting. Dang, you should write a book -- or at least a blog post -- on the psychological dynamics of internet communities!

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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This article is not good. It has its good points but the rest of it is deeply and completely flawed and it definitely has the feeling of ideological propaganda.

If you don’t know why that is the case, I will explain.

Firstly, it causes me actual physical pain to read because I have a son and society has become so default toxic towards men and assumes that they are somehow evil and guilty for....wanting sex and not knowing how to get it, or laughing at stupid jokes...

The reason this article is bad is that it is that it does exactly the things which cause the alt-right movement to get stronger and stronger, while knowing that it is doing them. It is hard for me to look at this other than a form of propaganda.

Here are the real, severe problems:

1. Categorize everyone who disagrees with you as a Nazi or alt-right. 43% of the population leans republican, call them all Nazis and you get the alt right. 2. Ignore or dismiss 100% of the counter arguments without naming what they are, just that they “must be wrong” 3. dismissing the entire validity of the alt-right by saying “there was one Nazi there”

There was a Nazi in Seattle once, he got punched in the face after ten minutes by a mob from the Internet. It doesn’t mean that everyone in Seattle is a Nazi.

What Liberals are going to have to do in order to get people like me to ever vote for them again is the following:

- admit There are extreme views on both sides and we can see how certain aspects of the Democratic Party are out of control, but that doesn’t excuse allowing Nazis, get rid of them and we will get rid of our nutcases also - If you don’t agree with 100% of what we are saying you still are welcome. We are not going to destroy your career and reputation if you want to argue over specifics - We are not going to use the words “whiteness” and “privilege” as a derogatory insult implicating all white people as being bad.

I work in tech, my twitter stream is filled with anti male and anti white rhetoric. I have blocked dozens of people for this reason.

- We are going to proactively eliminate bad actors with extremely racist and negative, toxic views from our own side

Until the Democratic Party and liberals admit to these things, moderate their tone, I am never, never, never coming back, and I voted for Obama twice.

It is time to stop pretending that there is only a single right answer, this article is exactly the propaganda that is driving the alt right and if it continues you are going to see it grow and I will be joining it, at this rate, I’d this continues.

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