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A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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AFOAF = A friend of a friend? That's a rather obscure acronym.

Is that not code, for me?

I believe you're thinking of SWIM, or "Someone who isn't me," which is apparently used to avoid self-incrimination

Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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What even is "personality" - leaving aside technical and dictionary definitions, if you --the person-- are the sum of your life experiences, can you ever truly not be you? I pose this because I encounter resistance from people to the notion that they can change themselves, lest they lose some notion of their "self", and personality is often equated with "self" from my experience.

> if you --the person-- are the sum of your life experiences There's also DNA and early childhood development which is hard to change in adulthood.

Formative years are more important.

Basically we imprint, like most mammals, between the ages of 8-12.

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my depression went away after changing my diet. a ton of neurotransmitters are made in the colon and intestines. Don't stop looking for things that might improve the condition, you will know when you find something that works.

What changes did you make?

Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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Causal link not established. Placebo not tested. Compare therapy against random assignment to six weeks of baking class. Then get back to me.

The review includes 35 experimental studies with control groups. See table 3: "Experimental Personality Change Effect Size Estimates Comparing Treatment to Control".

Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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As someone who suffers from depression and has gone to therapy for over 5 years (I am also on medication), please try and force yourself to go. It will most likely change your life for the better, if not, what have you wasted? A bit of money and a few hours of your time? It could make you better at dealing with your depression and, as a consequence, make you feel happier. You might need to try a few different therapi…

Thank you for sharing. Sincerely curious what you mean by "A bit of money". I'm lucky that I didn't have to have therapy. My guess is unless your insurance/job covers mental health, it's at least $50/hour (closer to $100 or $150 if in a major city). Surely not much for the possible benefits (and on a developer salary), but I'm wondering how expensive such services are.

Data point, $250/visit, SF Bay. I had great insurance, so it was between 60-90% covered, though out-of-network so I spent plenty of hours on the phone with insurers trying to get them to do their jobs.

Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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After years of depression, I'm sure my personality is one of the cause of me still being depressed. And if I went to therapy, I'd expect and want it to change. But change is scary, and I suppose that's why some depressed persons don't want to seek help. There's sometimes comfort in suffering. Another reason is that the not-desesperate me feels shallow and boring. But there's probably a hopeful me that's not. I haven'…

I know people who have done LSD and said it was one of the most life-changing things they ever did.

My first thought is, holy hell. I'm pretty happy. I don't want to "find out" I have the wrong career/partner/residence/etc. So, I hear ya.

Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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Personality is not that stable to begin with.[0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5144810/

Right, even before I start therapy, my personality changed all the time. I'd say the only constant is how I experience things. Everything else seems to be fluid.

Re: A little discussed effect of therapy: it changes personality (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for sharing. Sincerely curious what you mean by "A bit of money". I'm lucky that I didn't have to have therapy. My guess is unless your insurance/job covers mental health, it's at least $50/hour (closer to $100 or $150 if in a major city). Surely not much for the possible benefits (and on a developer salary), but I'm wondering how expensive such services are.

> closer to $100 or $150 if in a major city If therapy is just talking, surely there must be options for cheaply video chatting a therapist in a state with lower cost of living?

Teletherapy outcomes have yet to be thoroughly researched, but anecdotally most clinicians report a strong preference for face-to-face sessions. Part of the discomfort stems from legal concerns – how do you handle a patient who reports intense suicidal ideation with a plan being one of the big ones – but also the limitations of teleconferencing. Neither the typical therapist nor their patient is like to have access to a fancy $$$ teleconferencing setup; both are likely stuck using whatever $0.50 on the BOM selfie camera Apple chose for their latest iDevice. Seeing only the face, and a 720p at that, denies the clinician a lot of valuable information about the client's internal state, their physiological responses, and their body language. Not to mention connection issues. Imagine being someone who's kept a secret about their sexuality or childhood abuse and finally developed enough trust and worked up the courage to discuss it to your therapist only to be met with a "Connection lost…" or frozen image of their face.

Additionally, licensure for mental health professionals is handled on a state-by-state basis, making CoL arbitrage difficult.

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