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Re: Bird One Scooter – Pre-Order

#151

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The Bird Service center would be actually extremely useful. I bought a Xiaomi M365 (which is what Bird initially used) and dealing with tire punctures is really difficult. The first time I changed the tube, it took me a week to finish it. The bolts on the holding wheel are extremely tight from the factory and tire is such a tight fit too, I broke and bent multiple tire levers trying to get it on. I tried bringing it…

There's your problem right there... Why make a scooter with tyres instead of solid rubber with suspension? That's what Segway did with the Ninebot, and their scooters are great. So confused right now.. Tyres are meant for the low end/cheap scooters, not the high end stuff.

> Tyres are meant for the low end/cheap scooters

Or anyone who has to ride over seamed concrete (sidewalks) and wants their knees to still work.

Scooters don't have great shock absorption, so all that energy is going in to your joints. Over time you'll develop issues.

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#152

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If you're in Palo Alto and want to try one sometime I'd be happy to let you use mine.

How difficult are they to use if your balance isn't necessarily optimal? I tried to ride a cruising board back in college and.. well, broke my wrist when I fell (shrug). I have fine balance normally so I've always wanted to try a Boosted because it'd be handy when I go into our SF office or when I do stuff in San Jose.

Pushing the board accounts for a lot of the opportunities to lose balance. I don't have much experience with a powered board but I think it would be easier for me to keep balance on it.

A scooter's handlebars help but not as much as a bicycle, and I think it lulls you into a false sense of security.

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#153

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You are exactly right. People have a tendency to discount the production of the non-emission-generating thing in the first place. The energy and emissions required to build something like this is non-trivial. It should be mandated that if you want to appeal to green-fingered consumers with your marketing, you have to state the emissions deficit from which your product operates and how many years it would take to reco…

Okay, I'll play: what is the "emissions deficit" of a small electric scooter? Even combined with mass transit, surely the power consumed is miniscule compared with driving alone in a car, and the car is many times the initial manufacturing cost in metal parts, motors, even batteries. I commute in the summer on a Boosted Board, which uses most of the 99Wh battery to go one way (8km). My electricity in Ontario is large…

> what is the "emissions deficit" of a small electric scooter?

I'm sure it's unintentional but it's not clear to me what you're asking. So a range of possible answers:

1/ I don't know because they don't tell us what it is.

2/ It's the sum total amount of emissions directly caused by its production divided by the number of units produced. See also: carbon offsetting on planes.

3/ It's a number greater than zero and given that the electric scooter in question does not appear to be obviously replacing a car but walking or cycling, it's a meaningful question to ask.

> Even combined with mass transit, surely the power consumed is miniscule compared with driving alone in a car, and the car is many times the initial manufacturing cost in metal parts, motors, even batteries.

This is totally true, but I don't think it's anything to do with my point, which is:

> It should be mandated that if you want to appeal to green-fingered consumers with your marketing, you have to state the emissions deficit from which your product operates and how many years it would take to recover from it with typical usage.

I don't disagree with anything you say about your Boosted Board being better for the environment than your Mazda 5. But it's nothing to do with my point.

> but honestly your comment sounds a lot like concern trolling to me.

I legitimately care that people are allowed to market goods as being environmentally friendly or "low emissions" without having to substantiate the emissions which go into their manufacture. Especially when they seem to me to be marketed as an alternative to cycling or walking, which seem to be obviously low-emission.

> If there's anything out there which needs an "emissions deficit" sticker to help dissuade conscientious purchasers, lets start with private automobiles.

Again you're not really arguing the point, but sure, I think this is a good idea (?). Especially for cars marketed as environmentally friendly but which come at a significant creation cost.

Re: Bird One Scooter – Pre-Order

#154

$1299??? Apart from the GPS and "Free Rides Package" and "Bird Service Center", what's the value added? I could just get a Segway Ninebot ES4 for less than $800?

The Bird Service center would be actually extremely useful. I bought a Xiaomi M365 (which is what Bird initially used) and dealing with tire punctures is really difficult. The first time I changed the tube, it took me a week to finish it. The bolts on the holding wheel are extremely tight from the factory and tire is such a tight fit too, I broke and bent multiple tire levers trying to get it on. I tried bringing it…

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Re: Bird One Scooter – Pre-Order

#155

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Or if you leave it parked outside, people can rent it and you make money... :) Ala Tesla auto driving fleet

So Bird is unable to recoup the costs of buying a scooter from rentals but somehow an individual, paying more for each scooter, and getting a smaller rental share than Bird does, will?

No just subsidize it

Re: Bird One Scooter – Pre-Order

#156

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Do they sound like a bunch of angry bees?

No, they aren't 2-stroke, they're 4-stroke. They sound similar to a little 250cc roadbike - quiet and puttering.

Depends on the muffler system more than the engine. Large 4-stroke engines can be louder than helicopters.

I'm just curious because often the smaller the engine, the noisier it is.

Re: Bird One Scooter – Pre-Order

#158
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I think one of the issue with people from silicon valley trying to make consumer products is the fact that it will always be too expensive for people outside of silicon valley. When you live there you have a huge salary and the feeling that 1k is nothing, so selling a scooter for 1k is nothing, reality is that SV is a world of its own. That's complex product management issue in my opinion

True .. I got a boosted board when I moved to San Francisco. Well, reason number one is that the public transportation system is a joke in this city compared to the European cities I am used to. The price still felt steep but I can afford an 1k skateboard with a tech salary. Especially if I can recoup part of its cost by avoiding lyft rides.

I've tried a lot of electric boards and I will say the boosted board is a better board than all the rest. If they spent more developing it and sell it for more, who cares.

They got the controller design and the acceleration and deceleration curves right. You can accelerate with your thumb and the motion or grip of your hand doesn't affect your acceleration. The acceleration and deceleration are gradual and dampened, so you won't pitch yourself off the board when you accelerate or slow. You have brakes. You can even slow, stop and then go backwards. It's a safer board.

And anyway, the price is coming down.

(ok, off my soapbox)

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>If it's stolen you look up its GPS location and the police help you get it back. Do your police do that?

I want to know the answer to to this. Must be a nice place to live.

Haha I live in a stereotypically "wealthy white/Jewish" metropolitan area and I strip Birds/Limes on the street. It's also common for young men with black skin to drive around and load up cars with scooters-- presumably it's for charging, but the cops never hassle them either.
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